Industries of Titan

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Timkat1994 2019 年 3 月 22 日 下午 11:17
No longer interested in 'Industries of Titan' or future games by 'Brace Yourself Games'
I've been following Industries of Titan closely since it was announced and I'm gutted to see that it's sold out to the Epic store despite being advertised on Steam for some time now. This was one game I didn't have to have on my wishlist (although I did); I would just check up on development almost every week because I've been looking forward to it so much.

Epic Games is anti-consumer and this bait-and-switch to a far inferior service, which is buying out titles (that have already been advertising on Steam) to FORCE consumers to buy into their half-baked marketplace shows this. Epic Games is not trustworthy and any developers who sell out to an exclusivity deal with them have just as little integrity.

That said, just 40% ownership by Tencent is enough to turn away from Epic Games entirely. But on top of that, the marketplace is absolutely bare-bones. There are no forums, no review system, limited chat, no user profiles, no cloud saves, no controller support, no mod workshop (which would have been incredible for Industries of Titan), no groups, no library sorting, no account sharing, no streaming, no broadcasting, no achievements, no overlay, no linux support, no gifting, no shopping cart, and no wishlists. Sure, Epic Claims to have plans to add new features on their Trello, but after they screwed over Paragon and FortniteSTW (which was supposed to be FTP in 2018) to support FortniteBR, I have zero confidence in them.

Let's not forget that their Privacy Policy heavily violates GDPR laws set by the EU. As explained by /u/baciti on /r/pcgaming: https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/a3zkpv/the_epic_games_store_and_gdpr_compatibility/ebafv9y/

I'm also a huge fan of Crypt of the Necrodancer and just saw the Cadence of Hyrule trailer, which I'm disappointed I will have to pass on now.

Thanks for reading, just trying to voice my extreme frustration and disappointment with this move. I understand the need for additional funds for staff, but-- really?-- is it worth hurting your fans and studio like this? I'm sure many, if not most of us, would have bought into an early access option if money was an issue.

Please, at least remove your Steam store page. Come back in a year.
最後修改者:Timkat1994; 2019 年 3 月 22 日 下午 11:26
引用自 BYG_Andy:
These issues concern me too. I do want Epic to fulfill their promises to make the store have more features. While it worries me, I am the kind of person to give people the benefit of the doubt. I am giving everyone here the benefit of the doubt by talking to them rather than ignoring them. I believe in all of you as gamers and I love that you love games.

I hope that Epic really fulfills their promises, but I completely understand why you choose not to believe them.

I hear you loud and clear. Thank YOU for posting. Thank YOU for telling me how you feel. I wish you the best.
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stray 2019 年 4 月 4 日 上午 7:45 
引用自 Ferrus Animus
I would appreciate if you stopped trying to muddle the discussions constantly.

You go and say stuff like "and only sweep in once they see the product is viable".

And then comes facts showing that it's not quite like that. They support from every part of development.

Unfortunately, Epic is not capable of traveling back in time and give out money before they had it and, as such, games that are now further along the development timeline can only be supported on the tail end.

Again, there's a ton of ♥♥♥♥ to call them out on, this feels like barking at the wrong tree.
Ferrus Animus 2019 年 4 月 4 日 上午 9:30 
Wow. That's some impressive goalpost shifting.

But you've finally convinced me that you're nothing but a troll, so I will no longer reply to any of your posts.
stray 2019 年 4 月 4 日 下午 2:18 
lol, look at the big boy throwing logical fallacies claims around. :P
Do explain to me how it is goalpost moving. You stated, "Epic only comes in for reaping the benefits". These facts say that's not true. So now what?

But do go ahead, dismiss what you can't dispute by claiming troll/goal post mover/whatever.
Ferrus Animus 2019 年 4 月 5 日 上午 4:21 
引用自 straypet
lol, look at the big boy throwing logical fallacies claims around. :P
Do explain to me how it is goalpost moving. You stated, "Epic only comes in for reaping the benefits". These facts say that's not true. So now what?

But do go ahead, dismiss what you can't dispute by claiming troll/goal post mover/whatever.

Since you seem incapable of understanding:
- Epic only buys games nearing completion
- Your response to that is the new epic program to fund game development
- This program has so far not produced a single game as it has existed for only 2 weeks now.
- There fore it has literally zero impact and doesn't refute the fact that epic is buing games they haven't funded and where all the risk were borne by someone else.
- and if epic really wanted to support the devs, they could give them money with no exlusivity.

So you shifted the goalposts by claiming that the potential of future funding is the same as having funded development in the past, which are two very different things and which is exactly the reason people are so agitated.

If you are so far up your own ass that you can't discern the difference, either reflect on that or shut up, because you are either a troll or a fool.
Timkat1994 2019 年 4 月 5 日 上午 4:22 
See: Metro Exodus
stray 2019 年 4 月 5 日 上午 4:55 
No man, you're trying to put words in my mouth. A lot of words but all I was getting at was a simple one line phrase.

Direct quote from you "[Epic] only sweep in once they see the product is viable".

After reviewing what even you have just said, do you agree with that quote?

If you do, I don't know what else to tell you. Just keep doing your own thing.
BYG_Andy 2019 年 4 月 5 日 上午 11:51 
I can say that not all games that Epic has chosen to support are near completion. There's a ton of features we still want to implement, but the challenges are high being a small indie team. Our core team is only 5. So while the game "can" be shipped at some point in the near future, will it be 'done"?

Not by my standards. I wanted more buildings, more weapons, more things you can do. But it would be impossible with our current team size and budget.

So to restate, not all games are almost done. Some are, not but all.
Ferrus Animus 2019 年 4 月 6 日 上午 2:12 
引用自 straypet
No man, you're trying to put words in my mouth. A lot of words but all I was getting at was a simple one line phrase.

Direct quote from you "[Epic] only sweep in once they see the product is viable".

After reviewing what even you have just said, do you agree with that quote?

If you do, I don't know what else to tell you. Just keep doing your own thing.

Yes. I am giving them room to change that in the future, but all that's visible is this so far.
And as such I consider it valid critcism.


引用自 BYG_Andy
I can say that not all games that Epic has chosen to support are near completion. There's a ton of features we still want to implement, but the challenges are high being a small indie team. Our core team is only 5. So while the game "can" be shipped at some point in the near future, will it be 'done"?

Not by my standards. I wanted more buildings, more weapons, more things you can do. But it would be impossible with our current team size and budget.

So to restate, not all games are almost done. Some are, not but all.

No offence, but you have a functional engine, are one of the top wished for games on steam, have playable demos, that apparently garner great feedback, and have a working development plan, knowing what you can achieve. Let's also not forget that BYG has show itself capable of making games before.
You might not be complete and you might want to do much more (frankly, which game developer doesn't) but even to me it looks like you're on the last laps and in a good position. And I'm sure epic took a good look to determine that impression is true.
I'm not saying the money isn't a huge help and that it wont allow you to do more and add more to the game, but by my impression you have a very viable product with a sizable market potential.

And well. with regard to other companies, the situation is the same. I do not consider any game so far announced to be epic exclusive to bear significant risks of failing to deliver. If you knwo more I'd be interested if you'd share some insights.
Scorcher24 2019 年 4 月 9 日 上午 11:54 
The worst thing about this is, that they are abusing Steam for promotion in the meanwhile. At least have the decency and ethics to pull your app from Steam completely. Good riddance.
最後修改者:Scorcher24; 2019 年 4 月 9 日 上午 11:54
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