Why can I build only one Cargo landing pad ?

[Artful]

First, I know, mods fix that and I'm glad they exist ( I recommend this one https://mods.factorio.com/mod/a_lot_of_cargo_pads, it transform the landing pad into a requester chest, instead of an annoying buffer chest )

I'm just wondering why ? Why is it like that ?

The entire game is based on : "you can always expand, always have more". Why not the Landing pad ? In my base, I've build all around the Landing pad. I've created a mess of Transport belts, thinking "as long as it works it's ok, I'll build a new proper production next to the old one, when I'll need it, like for every others." But no. Why ? Without a mod I would have had to destroy everything around my Landing pad and re-do.

I think this isn't the "Factorio spirit". I shouldn't need to destroy anything. My first production lines are always a mess, and once I understand how to do it properly, I rebuild next to it ! And then I rebuild again but bigger and better, and again ... etc.

Never have I had to wipe out anything in this game because it was badly done the first time.

Plus it forces you to a centralisation I really don't like.

[PunCrathod]

It is that way for the same reason the game doesn't start with a "you win" popup that has only a quit game button.

[Maltsi]

I don't like to use logistic bots, which means there is a hard cap how much spm i can get with only 1 landing pad since you can only fit 32 inserters around it. someone (i think it was Fel) mathed out how much spm you can get from it (only using inserters and not bots), it was something like 53k. But this only accounts vanilla which only haves 1 space science, so with the dlc its even worse since there is 6 packs you need to import.

I don't like hard limits. And once ive gotten all of the achievements i will most likely get that mod

[Galileus]

Originally posted by Maltsi:

I don't like hard limits. And once ive gotten all of the achievements i will most likely get that mod

The hard limit in question:

Originally posted by Maltsi:

I don't use logistic bots

[Maltsi]

Originally posted by No Butt Pls No Ban:

Originally posted by Maltsi:

I don't like hard limits. And once ive gotten all of the achievements i will most likely get that mod

The hard limit in question:

Originally posted by Maltsi:

I don't use logistic bots

Well yeah? Bots have never been required for anything and never put any limits on you if you didn't use them, in fact they were bad for ups reasons. Now you are forced to use them.
I don't like brainless gameplay of spamming requester/provider chests everywhere that bots offers.

[Zaflis]

Originally posted by Maltsi:

Originally posted by No Butt Pls No Ban:

The hard limit in question:

Well yeah? Bots have never been required for anything and never put any limits on you if you didn't use them, in fact they were bad for ups reasons. Now you are forced to use them.
I don't like brainless gameplay of spamming requester/provider chests everywhere that bots offers.

2.0 greatly optimized bots UPS costs.

[Galileus]

Originally posted by Maltsi:

Well yeah? Bots have never been required for anything

Well, yeah. There you go. They are required now.

How is it any different than complaining you don't like belts and want bots to have unlimited throughput? It's the same exact argument, just the words are swapped.

And bots were always required for unlimited landing pad. Again, saying "duh, they never were required" is like complaining there is an DLC at all - "there didn't use to be DLC before!"

[Kazouie]

Originally posted by Maltsi:

I don't like to use logistic bots, which means there is a hard cap how much spm i can get with only 1 landing pad since you can only fit 32 inserters around it. someone (i think it was Fel) mathed out how much spm you can get from it (only using inserters and not bots), it was something like 53k. But this only accounts vanilla which only haves 1 space science, so with the dlc its even worse since there is 6 packs you need to import.

I don't like hard limits. And once ive gotten all of the achievements i will most likely get that mod

But that limit would only be if you limit yourself to doing science on only one planet.
Labs on different surfaces work together just fine.

You can even build science labs on space platforms, which you can build as many of as your computer can handle afaik.
Sure, only the extra special labs go on nauvis but you can always make up for that on volume to get your 5 morbillion SPS going.

[Maltsi]

Originally posted by No Butt Pls No Ban:

Originally posted by Maltsi:

Well yeah? Bots have never been required for anything

Well, yeah. There you go. They are required now.

How is it any different than complaining you don't like belts and want bots to have unlimited throughput? It's the same exact argument, just the words are swapped.

And bots were always required for unlimited landing pad. Again, saying "duh, they never were required" is like complaining there is an DLC at all - "there didn't use to be DLC before!"

There wouldn't be the need to use them without the limit, its nothing like complaining there is a DLC. Im complaining about the limit, which in my opinion offers nothing since you just spam bots and requester chests to solve that. Bot users could still use them even without the limit, it takes the OPTION of not using bots away.

[Strategic Sage]

I agree that the limit is not good. I also think it's an extremely minor thing that isn't worth concerning ourselves with.

[Artful]

Originally posted by PunCrathod:

It is that way for the same reason the game doesn't start with a "you win" popup that has only a quit game button.

I don't get your point ?

Before the update, Space science packs were obtained via the Rocket silo, and you could build as many as you want. Did you considered it too easy back then ?

[Maltsi]

Originally posted by Kazouie:

Originally posted by Maltsi:

I don't like to use logistic bots, which means there is a hard cap how much spm i can get with only 1 landing pad since you can only fit 32 inserters around it. someone (i think it was Fel) mathed out how much spm you can get from it (only using inserters and not bots), it was something like 53k. But this only accounts vanilla which only haves 1 space science, so with the dlc its even worse since there is 6 packs you need to import.

I don't like hard limits. And once ive gotten all of the achievements i will most likely get that mod

But that limit would only be if you limit yourself to doing science on only one planet.
Labs on different surfaces work together just fine.

You can even build science labs on space platforms, which you can build as many of as your computer can handle afaik.
Sure, only the extra special labs go on nauvis but you can always make up for that on volume to get your 5 morbillion SPS going.

Biolab is too good to pass. It halves your base size to get the same spm as without them. Twice the science with same ups. Sure i know its extremely hard to reach this limit, but the fact that it exists is demoralizing.

[Kazouie]

Originally posted by Maltsi:

Originally posted by Kazouie:

But that limit would only be if you limit yourself to doing science on only one planet.
Labs on different surfaces work together just fine.

You can even build science labs on space platforms, which you can build as many of as your computer can handle afaik.
Sure, only the extra special labs go on nauvis but you can always make up for that on volume to get your 5 morbillion SPS going.

Biolab is too good to pass. It halves your base size to get the same spm as without them. Twice the science with same ups. Sure i know its extremely hard to reach this limit, but the fact that it exists is demoralizing.

they are really good, i just wanted to point out that even without drones, once you max out nauvis, you can go even further beyond.

[Zaflis]

Originally posted by Kazouie:

Sure, only the extra special labs go on nauvis but you can always make up for that on volume to get your 5 morbillion SPS going.

That's the key point of the thread, the volume is bottlenecked by the landing pad on every planet :p Nauvis gains an extra 50% + 2 legendary productivity modules worth in labs compared to other 4 planets. They are all together worth like 1.5 Nauvis if they have as full lab setup going.

(Yes i'm counting Aquilo because you can totally fill it with rocket silos and platforms from any planets.)

[Galileus]

Originally posted by Maltsi:

There wouldn't be the need to use them without the limit, its nothing like complaining there is a DLC. Im complaining about the limit, which in my opinion offers nothing since you just spam bots and requester chests to solve that. Bot users could still use them even without the limit, it takes the OPTION of not using bots away.

Every single game design choice limits you somehow. I honestly cannot follow your problem, if it's not more apt to describe it as tantrum. There is a problem, you resolve it in a certain way. Your problem with the puzzle is "I WANT IT DIFFERENT".

Worse yet, you complain the puzzle offers nothing because you resolve it by spamming bots, and propose you could resolve it by spamming pads instead. Make it make sense.

Besides, with multiple pads, the pads ARE the requester chests, and the pods ARE the robots. So you end up with your hated robots anwyay.

[Zaflis]

What i'm guessing is what devs intended here was to find out the SPM limit people can come up with using only the 1 landing pad. When people start really making megabases they should remove the limit with mod.