Any good Gleba guides?

[Cannon Fodder]

All the videos I've seen are basically import an entire factory from space, which is fine, but not many details beyond "download my blue print".

I want to learn the basics of Gleba and I'll be honest. I'm not doing well with my own factory set up. Can't really get the ball rolling so to speak.

Any guides that give a good breakdown of Gleba?

[Hurkyl]

Bioflux has the longest spoil timer, is used in a lot of recipes, and is a super efficient source of nutrients. Bioflux production is the backbone of agriculture.

Conversely, Mash/Jelly spoil rather quickly. Do not put them on long transport lines: plan to use them quickly after creation. Similarly for Nutrients: make them locally.

Rocket Fuel is an efficient fuel source (if all the steps are made in biochambers) and is an agricultural product that doesn't spoil. So it's a good choice for production target, and you can use it to power your furnaces, boilers, and heating towers. And you need them to launch rockets anyways.

The Mash/Jelly recipes for using Yumako Fruit and Jellynut are seed-neutral. You need net-positive seed production, and thus a productivity bonus, for a sustainable factory. The main method is to use Biochambers to do the processing.

Be ready for spoilage everywhere. Every building can output spoilage; use filters to give it special outputs, or dump it with the rest of the building's output. The ends of your belts need something removing spoilage. You used a splitter to filter out the spoilage to another belt? Whoops, stuff spoiled after it passed the splitter, you need to remove it.

However you design your logistics, you'll need to make sure things can keep flowing and inserting new fresh materials into the system and removing spoilage. There are a variety of approaches to this.

[Aestrea]

The mechanic of gleba basically requires you to rotate a nutrients belt around to every biochamber and also doubles as a spoilage belt that gets filtered out along the belt with splitters.

The initial hard part is getting the 2 farms simultaneously started so you can actually start producing bioflux. Starting base location is very important because you can initially only farm on specific natural tiles and the distance between each other matters a lot.

After you have a jellynut farm, you can probably just feed jellynut directly into the heater with enough left over to produce whatever from a single farm.

[Esxhaton]

I would generally avoid belts with a dead end when transporting spoilable material. While an inserted at the end may be sufficient to avoid deadlocks, spoilage sitting still may lead to machines sitting idle and more spoilage. Loop your belts.

One more thing, multiply your bacteria to get ore. You probably don’t need a machine doing the bacteria extraction from the processed fruits

[Kazouie]

As has been said, all belts end in a recycler / incionerator, as some things won't burn directly.
If you don't have recyclers you can also use a chest area to compost the excess and let it spoil.

I really recommend limiting how much you take out of the Harvesting towers.
For example my gleba science is doing around 300 spm with only a yellow inserter worth of the brain fruit and a blue inserter of the red fruit.
If you just dump the tower on a belt there is too much waste if you're not really scaled up.

[Scarlet Dragon]

I saw a really good concise and "Explain Like I'm 5" type guide by DataEngineerPlays called "Fully automated iron and copper on Gleba" he also has one that deals with the basics of rocket production and science that really made it click with me. Link provided is to the first video I described

https://youtu.be/PNmTJBQ6hN0?si=P6scggFSOea9f3Rw

[POWER WITHIN USER]

Originally posted by Scarlet Dragon:

One more thing, multiply your bacteria to get ore. You probably don’t need a machine doing the bacteria extraction from the processed fruits

You need an assembler to restart the process whenever production stalls.

[Nonotorious]

It doesn't really matter how you set it up, it's just that you have to remember to put a 'dump valve' on every machine and the end of every belt so that if something spoils it will be taken off.
Things are going to spoil regardless unless you get perfect balance of items being taken off both sides of the belt.
Quite a few things require you to pick up product that was just made to refill the machine like nutrients, pentapod eggs and both iron and copper bacteria.
Aslong as everything is able to get rid of spoilage, it should work fine, for example you aren't going to have a rocket fuel line that is constantly being used 100%, unless you have a ton of rockets, so things are going to spoil, don't be afraid of it.

[Drakwo]

Also keep in mind, if you go for pentapod eggs, that a huge amount of nutrition is gone. With that I just have minimal spoilage in my factory right now. But spoilage is also usefull for pressed carbonite which you need for other material or as a fuel. Like another one mentioned, make sure to have a nutrition/spoilage line.

[brown29knight]

Originally posted by Scarlet Dragon:

I saw a really good concise and "Explain Like I'm 5" type guide by DataEngineerPlays called "Fully automated iron and copper on Gleba" he also has one that deals with the basics of rocket production and science that really made it click with me. Link provided is to the first video I described

https://youtu.be/PNmTJBQ6hN0?si=P6scggFSOea9f3Rw

I also recommend his videos. He explains things well. He also has blueprints for the things he made, available for you, if you choose to go that route.

Note: his blueprint for the factory with carbon fiber DOES have a few minor missing pieces. (Specifically, the spoilage line leaving the science pack storage near the rocket is incomplete)

He also has no spoilage removal for the raw fruit lines, which can cause a shutdown if the raw fruit backs up and spoils before it ever gets into the base.

Both of these are easily added on to his build

[argrond]

Okay, how do I put it in words about Gleba... XDD

First, you have to build a sufficient amount of biochambers to start something decent. I'd say 25-30 will be enough. Without those ready to use when you run your factory, you will just mess everything up.

Second, nutrients. "Fuel" of Gleba. The best way to obtain those is bioflux recipe. So you unlock bioflux, get the recipe, bring yumako and nuts into chamber, get good amount of good nutrients and you are ready to go.

Before you do the previous, you have to reckon Gleba tech tree and see what you need for 3 things: bio-rocket-fuel, agritech bottles and rocket components. Arrange everything the way you feel like it will work and then run the process. It's faster end easier to start with drones, but the more you demand from you base, the less efficient drones become, so you start solely with drones and then substitute production lines with belts+inserters.

The fastest way (and we are in a hurry) to proceed with production lines is to connect chambers directly, so they can unload items straight in the next biocamera/assembly in the production line. Saves a lot of headache with spoilage.

Always, from any chamber, do not forget to organize an additional lane for possible spoilage. I recommend to gather it all in one place - spoilage->nutrients chamber. People find it bad, but I do not see why is that so.

Run jellynut processing first, since you need that and bioflux for energy. Create bio-rocket-fuel, feed it to heat towers and enjoy free almost-nuclear electricity. )

Do not be obsessed with big bases. I have mine barely 8 chunks big and it literally produces everything I need, with auxiliary materials like fibre and rocket turrets.
Same goes to base resources. 2 farming machines for each base resource is more than plenty, though be sure to make yumako field a little bigger since you will need it slightly more that jelly.

Biofluids (local analog of pollution) attract local fauna, so be sure to really defend your farming field first, since they will attract pentapods the most. Then goes you chamber cluster, the goes you whole base. For that, be sure to mine a lot of stone and create land coverage from it in big quantities, or you defense line will be worse than drunkard after the 3rd bottle of rum. ))

Before Gleba, I advice you to visit Fulgora first and brings some teslas from there, they cost a lot of energy, but without them you will be overwhelmed by pentas pretty fast, that will be a nightmare, I'm telling you. )

As for stromalites as bacteria of the most short latency - they are the most difficult to not mess up with, you have to organize fast loop (chests, green inserters) to scale their production, get a steady supply of bioflux and nutrients first, then run their multiplying. They become ore in 1 minute, so sort out the most fresh in chamber loop, the less fresh in outer chest and then on belt for usual Nauvis routine. Be sure your factory consume of ores is higher than their production, since, if any belt is full it will result in chests overflow and process termination. You'll have to start it manually anew then again.

You may be having troubles with explosives for rockets - I've organized orbit supply of carbon from platforms, no need to be shy to use those for small things.

The last thing - do not be afraid of this mechanic, it's a great challenge which potentially can give you infinite amount of resources to operate with in the way and proportion you'd like to have. )
Embrace dirt nature man! ^__^

[HawkDZero]

can someone enlighten me. somehow i cant research Planet Gleba discovery tech. its red. researched all prerequisites, its still red. cant research it. btw im playing with QOL mods, no overhauls

[Hurkyl]

Originally posted by argrond:

As for stromalites as bacteria of the most short latency - they are the most difficult to not mess up with, you have to organize fast loop (chests, green inserters) to scale their production,

You have one minute, not one second to move a bacteria from the output buffer to the input buffer. A yellow inserter dropping it on a yellow belt so another yellow inserter can pick one up to put it back in is fine.

(unless that yellow inserter is doing double duty picking up bioflux; then you might have a mistake where bacteria slips by while it's moving bioflux)

Be sure your factory consume of ores is higher than their production, since, if any belt is full it will result in chests overflow and process termination. You'll have to start it manually anew then again.

A trick that I was doing is that I had several biochambers in a row running bacteria cultivation; it was set up so that the overflow from each biochamber could be picked up by the next one in line.

Then what I did was that I monitored the size of my iron ore buffer. As soon as it passed a sufficient threshold, I disabled the nutrient intake to all of the biochambers except the first one in line.

This way, my iron production slows way down so I'm not likely to fill my iron buffer... and when iron consumption picks back up and the nutrient feeds turn back on, all of the other cultivation loops can restart automatically on the overflow from the first one.

(and similarly for copper production)

[mrxak]

Don't even bother with belts. Gleba is where bots really shine. Set up everything with logistics bots. Burn your trash. Use combinators if you need to to make sure anything you overproduce gets burned.