I Will Be Modding The Names Back If You Change Them ;-)

[Drizzt]

Just a quick post

Was really nice to read Kovarex's response to the Quality "debate"

Pretty much aligned with what most of the reasonable discussion covered

And he confirmed what i am sure many assumed - that he used the "loot names" because he found them amusing

For those who haven't noticed that this game and these devs have senses of humor :-)

Anyway - of course they will be moddable - and while i will be interested to see if anyone suggests a set of names that they decide to use instead - i am now somewhat psyched up to progress through Uncommon , Rare and Epic, until finally i obtain the pinnacle of all top Quality engineering mechanisms:

The Legendary Burner Inserter

:-)

So i expect i will be modding any new names back to those unless the new ones are somehow so appropriate and also so epic that they just feel too right to mod :-)

Anyway - i have not read the rest of the FFF past the update on Quality - because i am trying to retain as much surprise for all the cool new stuff we will be getting - i even avoided looking at the gif of the Quality setup :-)

So unless this week's FFF generates the kind of drama that last week's did - i shall bid y'all farewell for a while when it comes discussing the Expansion

Best Wishes Wube with the development - you have my support, respect, trust and admiration for all of your contributions to gaming - as well as for your extreme talent, dedication and commitment to excellence and integrity

And i will be at the front of the line as soon as you permit us to give you some money ;-)

The Factory Must Grow

[Galileus]

TBH the more and more alternatives pop up, the more I agree with the fact these names are just super easy to refer to without looking up icons or a guide. Is well-tuned better than refined or is optimized better?

Seeing these alternative names not lined up and without a number next to them makes it almost impossible to decide which order they go in, maybe (and not always) except for first and last one.

I don't mind the names that much after I got used to the idea, and hell, I do absolutely love me some Legendary Fish.

[knighttemplar1960]

LOL

[Drizzt]

Originally posted by Dr. Full Frontal:

Is well-tuned better than refined or is optimized better?

indeed

also the current terms can be applied to everything: mechanisms, components and refined resources

since i believe an Uncommon Miner will produce Uncommon Ore (EDIT: actually not - it will need Quality Modules - see later lol) - which makes sense - but Finely Tuned Ore? Optimised Ore?

whereas my Uncommon Miner mines Uncommon Iron Ore that feeds into my Rare Furnace smelting Rare Iron Plates, feeding my Epic Assembler that produces Epic Gears, feeding my Legendary Assembler that produces Legendary Miners that mine for Legendary Iron Ore

although i know it doesn't actually work quite that way - i am not sure if you can actually get graded ore - but since miners take modules it seems reasonable that you can - but feeding Uncommon Iron Ore into a Rare Furnace will not get you Rare Iron Plates unless the Rare Furnace has Quality modules installed - but any furnace will smelt Uncommon Iron Ore into Uncommon Iron Plates (output Quality >= worst input Quality) - and in fact a Normal Furnace that contains Quality modules will produce some higher tier outputs than its inputs - but a Legendary Furnace with no Quality modules never will - and a Legendary Miner will not mine anything other than Normal Ore unless it contains Quality modules etc

either way - yes, the names are both intuitive and fun

sadly you may be out of luck for Legendary Fish - unless you can install Quality modules in your power armor to allow for Quality hand crafting - and even then i am not sure a fish counts as a crafted item

but.....

maybe if you launch a Legendary Space Science pack in your rocket it will return a Legendary Fish? (literally a thing - check out the details tootips on Space Science packs)

but my Legendary Burner Inserter is gonna kick some ass - slightly faster than normal burner inserters ;-)

[schnappkatze]

Thank you for your (future) service!

Since we can usually costumize our games and UI a lot anyway, maybe Wube will make it an option to choose if we want silly quality names or proper quality names.

On a more serious note, I find it odly relieving that kovarex actually just found the names funny and that's the reason for them.

[Galileus]

Recycling the Spidertron.

NO.

MATTER.

HOW.

LONG.

THAT.

TAKES.

Time will only make my victorious Legendary Fish sweeter!

(and then I'm gonna mod in a recipe for chips)

[Drizzt]

Originally posted by Dr. Full Frontal:

Recycling the Spidertron.

NO.

MATTER.

HOW.

LONG.

THAT.

TAKES.

Time will only make my victorious Legendary Fish sweeter!

(and then I'm gonna mod in a recipe for chips)

ah yes - that's due to me only skim reading the Quality FFF - i saw recycling was a thing but didn't read any further about it - but i guess you can use Quality modules with it - so yes - makes sense - you will get your Legendary Fish (possibly you need to recycle a Legendary Spidertron? But also you only get 25% of your resources back - so sometimes you will get your Legendary Fish)

and due to the fix for issue 107893, you will still be able to get achievements on that game when it hits 9943 hours lol ;-)

[Drizzt]

Originally posted by schnappkatze:

Thank you for your (future) service!

Since we can usually costumize our games and UI a lot anyway, maybe Wube will make it an option to choose if we want silly quality names or proper quality names.

On a more serious note, I find it odly relieving that kovarex actually just found the names funny and that's the reason for them.

but what's "Proper"?
Normal, Good, Better, Best, Excellent?
1, 2, 3, 4, 5? :-P

it'll be moddable - but they may even have it as an option - since it's just a translation - internally they will be 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 (or probably 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 - for the computer nerds lol)

i thought it was pretty clear that the names were for fun - but also a nod to the mechanics of games that don't have the ability for players to actually mass produce their way from probability to ratio - whereas as Kovarex mentioned in today's FFF, this game allows exactly that

and who wants to bet on the possibility of a Speedrun category called Legendary Fish? ;-)

[madPav3L]

Originally posted by Dr. Full Frontal:

Is well-tuned better than refined or is optimized better?

Exactly! Starfield uses Calibrated, Refined, Advanced and Superior and without looking up the damage numbers I never know which is better.

[Drizzt]

Originally posted by madPav3L:

Originally posted by Dr. Full Frontal:

Is well-tuned better than refined or is optimized better?

Exactly! Starfield uses Calibrated, Refined, Advanced and Superior and without looking up the damage numbers I never know which is better.

that's kind of the funny thing - i assume they spent some time back in the day deciding on Uncommon, Rare, Epic and Legendary

and ironically there is an appropriate engineering principle about not reinventing the wheel lol ;-)

[Galileus]

Originally posted by madPav3L:

Originally posted by Dr. Full Frontal:

Is well-tuned better than refined or is optimized better?

Exactly! Starfield uses Calibrated, Refined, Advanced and Superior and without looking up the damage numbers I never know which is better.

NGL, these sound even worse than some community suggestions here. Advanced often can mean "better than last tier but not good enough for its own, new tier", superior is always "superior to something", refined and calibrated can be anything.

So is refined rifle uncalibrated, but it's advanced for it's design and thus superior to the unrefined one? Or is the unrefined rifle suuperiorly calibrated, but it's not really advanced?

[Drizzt]

Originally posted by Morsk:

If they take the fun names and make us mod them back, I'm going to make them even sillier on purpose.

Dark, Edgy, Tactical, Gaming

How about: Unusual, Odd, Strange, Weird?

or: Pointy, Sharp, Spiky, Serrated?

maybe: Shiny, Sparkly, Glittery, Fabulous?

;-)

[Drizzt]

Damp, Wet, Soaked, Sodden?

[Drizzt]

Originally posted by Morsk:

WoW names are 2 rarity + 2 heroic, so I like to switch theme in the middle. Also avoids ambiguity in sorting 4 words of the same type.

ah - so: Damp, Wet, Bone Dry, Crispy

maybe we should use factory games....

so: Normal, Satisfactory, Dyson, Captain, Factorio? ;-)

[TSP]

or: Is this the real life, Is this just fantasy, caught in a landslide, no escape from reality?

Any way the wind blows doesn't really matter to me.

[Chindraba]

Originally posted by Drizzt:

it'll be moddable - but they may even have it as an option - since it's just a translation - internally they will be 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 (or probably 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 - for the computer nerds lol)

Oddly enough the numbers are not a pure sequence, contrary to Geeksville standards. Rather they have a level value, normal=0, uncommon=1, rare=2, epic=3, legendary=5 (there is no quality with level 4).

Just so you have the data to do your mod to revert the humorous name loss.

Originally posted by Drizzt:

maybe we should use factory games....

so: Normal, Satisfactory, Dyson, Captain, Factorio? ;-)

All well and good, except "Normal" isn't a factory game. Satisfactory, however, does seem like the base level - anything less would be "unsatisfactory" and discarded rather than being used as an ingredient. That cuts the list down to 4. I propose keeping the top one where it is, drop normal, slide the rest down one and fill the open slot with Tycoon. I hear that the transport tycoon game(s) are solid and, within their reach, just as good as Factorio for gameplay, if not CPU optimization. Seems like that would make a good "almost Factorio-level" quality.

I think my biggest complaint with the names as given is that Epic and Legendary are reversed in my use of the words, and seemingly most usage outside of the environment from whence they were lifted. Even yourself, in normal writing, refer to the ultimate experience as epic, not legendary.

Originally posted by Drizzt:

So i expect i will be modding any new names back to those unless the new ones are somehow so appropriate and also so epic that they just feel too right to mod :-)

Originally posted by Drizzt:

think i need to build Epic in scale :-)

Originally posted by Drizzt:

reflecting on what a bunch of Epic-ly negative whiners some people are - when they could instead be at least cautiously optimistic,

Originally posted by Drizzt:

Anyway - i have not read the rest of the FFF past the update on Quality - because i am trying to retain as much surprise for all the cool new stuff we will be getting

I like your version of excitement, even though my version of sweet temptation is tastier to my grey matter. Without using spoiler tags, and the extra temptation, I'll merely say that the reveals in this FFF are much calmer, and I find all of them at the very least welcome, and in some cases perhaps even overdue. Significant changes to vanilla, which will reset all the speedrun records, throw a few wooden shoes into the blueprint libraries of many a long-term player, and change how most play vanilla from start to finish. You are going to love your present when you start a new game in 2.0 almost as much as when you unwrap Factorio: Space Age.