Never going on sale is the most PRO CONSUMER thing you can do as a dev

[augustine]

This means that nobody is compelled to hold off from buying the game
This means nobody feels ripped off for buying the game early before sale season
Most importantly, the very fact that the game never goes on sale clearly says - "This is the price we fixed, we will never trick you or make you feel compelled to buy the game with discounts, if you like the game buy it"

[augustine]

I will even go so far as to say that the very system of sales is deceptive by principle
Okay that is a bit too farfetched LOL

[Serendipitous]

Just stop with those crap posts ffs

[augustine]

Originally posted by Serendipitous:

Just stop with those crap posts ffs

What do you mean
This is the only post I've seen in a long time which actually commends the dev. How is this not in the best interest of the game. Would you care to elaborate

[Derek aka Derek]

no one is compelled to buy any videogames, if someone feels ripped of then they shouldn't have bought something they thought was overpriced. that last point is obviously just nonsense bs.

the game is reasonably priced and extremely succesful, you don't have to jerk the dev for charging everyone full price for ever.

[Shurenai]

Originally posted by augustine:

Originally posted by Serendipitous:

Just stop with those crap posts ffs

What do you mean
This is the only post I've seen in a long time which actually commends the dev. How is this not in the best interest of the game. Would you care to elaborate

They're probably just tired, like a lot of us probably are, about the incessant discussion about how the game will never go on sale... Pro-decision or con-decision, it's just tiresome to see this subject ad nauseum.

[augustine]

Originally posted by Derek aka Derek:

no one is compelled to buy any videogames, if someone feels ripped of then they shouldn't have bought something they thought was overpriced. that last point is obviously just nonsense bs.

the game is reasonably priced and extremely succesful, you don't have to jerk the dev for charging everyone full price for ever.

What I meant was that the sales put on an imaginary ticking clock which makes the consumer feel atleast a bit pressured to make a decision about whether to get the game or not. In Factorio's case since the price is the same throughout the year the consumer can make an informed decision and can buy the game whenever he/she feels like it is worth the amount charged by wube

[Malidictus]

Not going on sale is not "pro consumer". Trying to paint sales as anti-consumer is bizarrely dystopian.

[Entropy]

Everything inherently that sells you something can't be "pro-consumer" just can be "not anti-consumer" at most. Also sales are not bad thing. Regardless of sales, everything in life can have varying price, if the price does not vary, inflation and life standarts vary so nothing is permanent. So sales are the realities of life for me.

[Khaylain]

Originally posted by Malidictus:

Not going on sale is not "pro consumer". Trying to paint sales as anti-consumer is bizarrely dystopian.

It really isn't. It's realistic. Because sales on digital goods are just a manipulation tactic. There's no limited shelf space where you might need to run a sale to get rid of old stock to make room for new stuff.
I mean, this is basic psychology and economic theory.

[Entropy]

Originally posted by Khaylain:

Originally posted by Malidictus:

Not going on sale is not "pro consumer". Trying to paint sales as anti-consumer is bizarrely dystopian.

It really isn't. It's realistic. Because sales on digital goods are just a manipulation tactic. There's no limited shelf space where you might need to run a sale to get rid of old stock to make room for new stuff.
I mean, this is basic psychology and economic theory.

So? you don't talk like this when you are on the good end of sales (bought when cheap). So u either wait and get cheap which means u paid the price with waiting(time), or get it soon and u paid the price for money. Everything in life has price, u either pay with money, time or luck.

[königplatzen]

Originally posted by Chastity Belt Enjoyer:

Everything inherently that sells you something can't be "pro-consumer" just can be "not anti-consumer" at most. Also sales are not bad thing. Regardless of sales, everything in life can have varying price, if the price does not vary, inflation and life standarts vary so nothing is permanent. So sales are the realities of life for me.

If nobody sells you groceries, you'd have a problem, unless you can feed yourself. Its pro-consumer that somebody sells you necessary goods. So, I think your argument doesn't hold at least in that regard.
Sales reduce the price temporarily, which in itself is natural in an always changing market. F.e. If I buy hardware, I take the shop with lowest price.
But prices for games are usually fixed and sales are mainly an instrument to generate increase actual sales, after the market is saturated.
They could just reduce the price permanently with the same effect, but then the product would really look like it has lost value and customers bought for original full price feel more scammed.
It's also an instrument to create fomo, because you get lured into buying, because it's a chance.
And lastly, it increases the hype around a product, which would not be considered by most customers. Basically advertising.
In the end a sale is rather anti-consumer, but always has the impression, it's pro

[Entropy]

Originally posted by königplatzen:

Originally posted by Chastity Belt Enjoyer:

Everything inherently that sells you something can't be "pro-consumer" just can be "not anti-consumer" at most. Also sales are not bad thing. Regardless of sales, everything in life can have varying price, if the price does not vary, inflation and life standarts vary so nothing is permanent. So sales are the realities of life for me.

If nobody sells you groceries, you'd have a problem, unless you can feed yourself. Its pro-consumer that somebody sells you necessary goods. So, I think your argument doesn't hold at least in that regard.

No, then either my life or society would evolve to handle that problem differently. or if specifically me, i would eat outside all the time vs vs. So my point stays. Nobody would sell u something from their goodness in heart or 0 pure selfless intention. They had to gain something which causes "not pro you".

Only thing that can be "pro consumer" is gifts but then it is not sale or you are not consumer anymore so^^

[Khaylain]

Originally posted by Chastity Belt Enjoyer:

Originally posted by Khaylain:

It really isn't. It's realistic. Because sales on digital goods are just a manipulation tactic. There's no limited shelf space where you might need to run a sale to get rid of old stock to make room for new stuff.
I mean, this is basic psychology and economic theory.

So? You don't talk like this when you are on the good end of sales (bought when cheap). So you either wait and get cheap which means you paid the price with waiting(time), or get it soon and you paid the price for money. Everything in life has price, you either pay with money, time or luck.

How do you know something like that? The answer is that you don't.
Because the only reasonable thing to do with items that use sales as part of their tactic is to consider their deepest discount as the real price of the game. The rest of the time they arbitrarily raise the price so some shmuck who doesn't know about it can be burned by that. Psychology have several studies that show that a sale sticker with "-20%" short circuits the logical appraisal of the actual value of the item for a lot of people, if not most. And of course I've been there. I can still be manipulated by it, but I do try quite hard to disregard the shiny sale stickers and look at the actual price and value instead.

The good thing is that a lot of the games that don't explicitly say they won't go on sale (because they actually priced the game by what they actually think it's worth, not following the advice Steam gives of "keeping promotions in mind" AKA setting the price higher so you can run sales later) allows me to wait, and by the time they run the sales I'm often not interested any more. So in that sense it's saving me money.

[Entropy]

Originally posted by Khaylain:

Originally posted by Chastity Belt Enjoyer:

So? You don't talk like this when you are on the good end of sales (bought when cheap). So you either wait and get cheap which means you paid the price with waiting(time), or get it soon and you paid the price for money. Everything in life has price, you either pay with money, time or luck.

How do you know something like that? The answer is that you don't.

You don't need to know that much. It will even out probably or you are a sucker :D. In your life you will have good buys or bad buys. Sure u can increase the odds by researching and tracking but still u will eventually know^^. U can't be %100 in good side of it.

[Khaylain]

Originally posted by Chastity Belt Enjoyer:

Originally posted by Khaylain:

How do you know something like that? The answer is that you don't.

You don't need to know that much. It will even out probably or you are a sucker :D. In your life you will have good buys or bad buys. Sure u can increase the odds by researching and tracking but still u will eventually know^^. U can't be %100 in good side of it.

You really can't write worth a damn, can you...