Rare Mk2 Armour need some requirements or something? [Solved]

[orangelemongamer]

I'm probably just being incredibly unlucky but I've had a factory going with 6.4% quality (0.64% to get rare quality, ~1 in 150) making MK2 Power Armour and after 500 crafts STILL haven't gotten a single rare. Is this impossible with this low a quality or is it literally just rng?
Thanks

[Fel]

Random is random, just like you can get "tail" 10 times in a row when tossing a coin.
It averages out with much higher amounts though.

The "quality module" research unlocks uncommon and rare, it's only epic and legendary that require specific technologies to be unlocked.

[orangelemongamer]

oh ok thanks. I kinda already knew that it was probably just bad luck but wanted to double check in case i was being stupid and missed something

[argrond]

Rnd based on rnd. Just load the save and try again. You will get it eventually.
Though it appears much easier and faster to do an upgrade like this from better quality, than spamming load. You can have fair chances with 1 tier difference, 2+ is extremely tiring and time-consuming lottery.

[orangelemongamer]

FINALLY ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
https://imgur.com/a/CzepLrd

Oh nah 💀 half the blue circs ive made so far are now locked in 518 different pieces of armour wtf

[Kappatalism]

I feel like in the expected time it would take to save/load your way from a common level ingredient > rare end product craft, you could craft up rare versions of the raw materials by moduling all your circuits, LDS, and electric engine assemblers and splitting off their higher qualities into chests while you research yellow science techs.

Probably depends on if you can reload with the armor 99% completed or have to start the crafting to get a new roll.

[orangelemongamer]

yeah but like i went into it from the start not expecting it to take 500+ armours to get it so didnt bother. and then once your like 250+ in like ;-; im obs gonna get it at some point so it might not be worth the effort
I also probably couldve gone to space and gotten better modules but im lazy and had fun blowing up biters in the mean time so whatever

[argrond]

Fun fact - MK2 is not really that interesting, you will be aiming for mech one very soon and believe me, load spam there will be even more nasty. XD

[Hurkyl]

One of the 'paradoxical' things about this kind of process is that no matter how many armors you've already produced... on average you will still have to wait around 150 more times before getting one.

You can cut down on the variance, though, by making quality ingredients instead. When you're making just one thing, 'luck' can have a big effect on the waiting time. But when you're making 30? Or even 100 things? Luck plays a much, much smaller role.

And it's probably easier to find another use for all the common and uncommon ingredients you made along the way than it is the common and uncommon power armors.

Fortunately, it will be useful to have them around, since they're an ingredient in another item you'll eventually want to produce.

[Jethu]

Originally posted by argrond:

Fun fact - MK2 is not really that interesting, you will be aiming for mech one very soon and believe me, load spam there will be even more nasty. XD

Could be preparing to craft a rare Mech Armor.

It took me quite a few crafts to get one myself.

[AutumnZeus]

Originally posted by Exodus永:

i feel this, over 1000 Mech armour crafts and not one epic or legendary quality item. wild.

have you researched epic or legendary quality yet? only uncommon and rare are available at first iirc

[Geomancer]

Sounds like people are going about this all the wrong ways.

Things like Armor you only build 1 of, maybe another if you die.

The components you make the armor out of though, you make hundreds, thousands, millions of .... The laws of probability are practically screaming at you that you should be grinding quality materials, and not trying to grind quality end items.

If you craft the armor with rare component parts, you get rare armor out guaranteed.

This gets exponentially easier to do on Fulgora with the recycler and scrap. I have chests full of rare quality iron, steel, blue circuits, LDS, etc etc.

If you haven't noticed, when setting an assembler's recipe you can also select the quality it should produce. It will require the same quality inputs to run, but as I said in the beginning, you're making that stuff in the thousands to millions, you'll get them easily.

[Fel]

Quality intermediates require more logistics than just pumping materials into making a finished product like this, it is definitely cheaper in the end but not necessarily easier.

Even if you wouldn't use OP's method, it doesn't mean it is "wrong", it is just a different approach that is much easier to setup but costs a lot more materials in the end.

[argrond]

Originally posted by Jethu:

Originally posted by argrond:

Fun fact - MK2 is not really that interesting, you will be aiming for mech one very soon and believe me, load spam there will be even more nasty. XD

Could be preparing to craft a rare Mech Armor.

It took me quite a few crafts to get one myself.

May be. Did not took me too long to craft a rare one directly from rare ingredients, I've tried to gamble a little first to see if it works, with commom/uncommon quality modules, especially not mk3, it's faster to accumulate needed resources, build components, build armor.
Mech one will be even more tricky to craft this way, but eh, that's not forbidden by law so why not. )

[Evilsod]

I got extremely lucky with some basic quality modules and a Power Armour Mk1 giving me an Uncommon.

But Mk2? Nah, I just crafted it directly as rare. Just about everything on my Vulcanus factory has quality modules in it, so I'm producing a decent amount of the whole spectrum of components. The bot mall is also producing the rare green/red circuits directly to let me make a load more of the modules it needed.

Just finished making it now and immediately stuck 6 rare Exoskeletons, 5 rare Roboports and a rare Mk2 Battery in it. My next return trip to Nauvis will be to mine some uranium so I can get 1 or 2 of the reactors made up.

[orangelemongamer]

you guys assume ive moved to the other planets 😶