Expansion UPDATE ? (Please)

[Last (1CMD)]

Can we please get a update on the expansion its been 6 months? At this point ive given up caring. Announcing it gave alot of people excitement for the future of the game, but its been pretty depressing so far with the complete lack of anything. At this stage with the amount of time its taken people are going to expect huge things, and will be disappointed if you dont deliver on expectations.

[zolo]

Originally posted by Last:

Originally posted by Hedning:

It is best to not invest yourself in unreleased games.

I'm heavily invested, I need this to come out before I get married and have kids, while I still have time to invest in a game without leading to child neglect or divorce 😅

LOL Last - hopefully it will be out before then for your future partner / children's sake!


Ordinarily I'd be right alongside you and the OP, desperate for an update - too excited to wait and becoming disappointed as time passes. But not for this - factorio as it stands is so utterly engaging that I haven't given the expansion (or whatever is next) a passing thought since the last update. I can wait as long as it takes and just hope it is even half as good as the original

[DaBa]

Look at it this way:

The game that already has a massive amount of game overhauling mods that add ludicrous amount of high quality new content, some even adding brand new mechanics never before seen in the game that completely change how you play it. FOR FREE. Modders also had years upon years to explore A LOT of the available design space, to the point it almost feels like there is a mod with anything, for just about with everything at this point.

Now imagine one day you sit down, look at all this and think to yourself: "let's make an actual expansion for the game that we will charge money for". You are now competing with all the mods for your own game that not only add a mind boggling amount of new things into your game, but do it for free. How do you like your chances?

If you want to make something that is worth paying actual money for in comparison, you need to make an expansion that has AT LEAST a comparable amount of new content as mods like Space Exploration do, of a significantly higher quality than what already high quality mods like Krastorio deliver, with brand new and original ideas not yet realized by your modding community (or not realized well). And considering how high quality and spotless your existing game is, you also cannot half ass it and release it as a broken mess, it needs to be on the same level of quality your base game is, which took you YEARS of patching to get to that level. Yeah.... not something you'll be able to do in a single afternoon now is it?

I am operating under an assumption we're not going to see the expansion for the next few years even. You might think that's a bit of an exaggeration, but if you consider everything I've just tried to describe, if they are REALLY trying to knock it out of a park and make something that is better than any of the mods that have ever been made for this game (they didn't say that, but I don't think they would settle for any less), then it might as well take a couple more years to deliver.

[Last (1CMD)]

Originally posted by DaBa:

Look at it this way:

The game that already has a massive amount of game overhauling mods that add ludicrous amount of high quality new content, some even adding brand new mechanics never before seen in the game that completely change how you play it. FOR FREE. Modders also had years upon years to explore A LOT of the available design space, to the point it almost feels like there is a mod with anything, for just about with everything at this point.

Perhaps they have set themselves an impossible task. Been able to compete with Mods like space exploration, i would assume however that is the direction they may go, It works so well with the basis of the game, Setting up factories on distant planets, with a long term goal of operations in space.

I think the biggest issue comes down to accessibility not all players want that level of challenge, or would get overwhelmed. What ever they create has to be something the 80% of players who arent massive Nerds want to play, because they are the core of the game and sales, you cant create something that relies on complex requester signals for interplanetary travel because i guarantee large percentage of players never even used signals. ( Just look at reactors for example, how many people set them just to constantly fuel instead of letting them run down) the game is great how its simple but can be as complex and you want it to be.

Either way after 2 1/2 years lets hope they managed to find a path forward and cool new concepts. Maybe the original post should of been asking if they are still alive? and did they come up with a concept for the expansion that they are now developing? or are the suck in the concept stage sill trying to find a path forward.

[Hurkyl]

Originally posted by DaBa:

If you want to make something that is worth paying actual money for in comparison, you need to make an expansion that has AT LEAST a comparable amount of new content as ...

They set the scope of their project as producing a similar level of content as the base game.

Originally posted by Last:

and did they come up with a concept for the expansion that they are now developing? or are the suck in the concept stage sill trying to find a path forward.

They've talked about having a LAN party where they did a complete playthrough of the expansion.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/427520/eventcomments/3367027031781632580/

They, in fact, thought the game was too long at this point in development! And they concluded with

Originally posted by FFF #370:

The reason why we still don't share specific details is, that we have to sadly inform you, that it still won't be ready sooner than in a year from now. Once the estimates get reasonably close, we will start dropping some FFFs.

[rojogames371]

cope harder bruv.

[Doom Sayer]

Originally posted by Kefka:

Originally posted by Dr. Full Frontal:

No, it's not atypical. They were silent about the expansion, and they still are.

And every time they share any tiny sliver of data, people don't respond with "okay, now you can be silent for another few months". They respond with "say more", "useless update", "you quiet too long!" and so on.

Every time it comes to update begging, it's the same story: idealized "i just want to know you alive" that is in NO WAY representative of how it is in real life. And it's always the same: "i dont ask much, just adjust your plans and PR to ME, because I AM A VETERAN, I am just asking to do WHAT I TELL YOU".

Friend, if you're not gonna be chill or read what others say (that you're directly replying to...) then nobody's going to want to engage with you.

Schnappkatza, on the other hand, said much the same thing in a more reasonable way.

I think I'm done here, but to close out, I'd like to clarify that when I said "throughout their development process" I was talking about the normal/actual game and it's 8~ year development cycle, not the expansion.

I'll keep waiting patiently like most of us have been doing, cheers :)

Just block them annoying people will just bait you into breaking a lame forum rule then you get temp or perma banned. I have over 4k people blocked. No regrets.

[Doom Sayer]

Originally posted by rojogames371:

cope harder bruv.

Bloooooocked.

[Dunhill]

They're doing the best possible thing they could be doing. It's amazing that they've made you not care. Do you really want another cyberpunk launch? You want for the devs to keep you hyped, to constantly tease you with their product, keep delaying it, generate hype because marketing and then deliver garbage?

[firewolf]

mods are the expansion

[Dunhill]

Originally posted by Dog on Fire:

mods are the expansion

no, they are not

[Last (1CMD)]

Originally posted by Smoke:

They're doing the best possible thing they could be doing. It's amazing that they've made you not care. Do you really want another cyberpunk launch? You want for the devs to keep you hyped, to constantly tease you with their product, keep delaying it, generate hype because marketing and then deliver garbage?

They are doing the worst thing making people not care, I was never asking for hype or weekly updates, Just anything, maybe something every 3 months to just let the community that loves the game know something. Communication with the community that supports them is kinda important, it just needs to be done right. Just be clear with whats going on, and never give dates for anything, you'll make a lot more people happy then disappointed.
Just look at Dyson sphere a Chinese company has better communication and care more about their community.

[Galileus]

Originally posted by Last:

They are doing the worst thing making people not care, I was never asking for hype or weekly updates, Just anything, maybe something every 3 months to just let the community that loves the game know something. Communication with the community that supports them is kinda important, it just needs to be done right. Just be clear with whats going on, and never give dates for anything, you'll make a lot more people happy then disappointed.
Just look at Dyson sphere a Chinese company has better communication and care more about their community.

1. Making people not care is exactly the plan. They do not want to hype it up early.
2. "Just anything". "Maybe something every 3 months". "Just tell us exactly what is going on". This is the progression in ONE POST.
3. Communication with the community is... optional. At best. It's nice for an EA game and for competitive games, but neither applies.
4. Until "explain clearly what's going on" turns out to change down the line, and all the "happy people" start attacking you for "owning too many mansions" and "wasting time on switch port"
5. DS is in EA. WUBE still supports the modding community and bug-fixes with regularity not seen by any other company. And yet, you are first to passively-aggressively attack them for "not caring" because, laughably, you do not care for them. You just want stuff. And you make a comforting lie around it about how it's about "community" and how they are "uncaring" to explain what is, in truth, nothing more than an egoistic "I WANT"

[Last (1CMD)]

Originally posted by Dr. Full Frontal:

Originally posted by Last:

They are doing the worst thing making people not care, I was never asking for hype or weekly updates, Just anything, maybe something every 3 months to just let the community that loves the game know something. Communication with the community that supports them is kinda important, it just needs to be done right. Just be clear with whats going on, and never give dates for anything, you'll make a lot more people happy then disappointed.
Just look at Dyson sphere a Chinese company has better communication and care more about their community.

1. Making people not care is exactly the plan. They do not want to hype it up early.
2. "Just anything". "Maybe something every 3 months". "Just tell us exactly what is going on". This is the progression in ONE POST.
3. Communication with the community is... optional. At best. It's nice for an EA game and for competitive games, but neither applies.
4. Until "explain clearly what's going on" turns out to change down the line, and all the "happy people" start attacking you for "owning too many mansions" and "wasting time on switch port"
5. DS is in EA. WUBE still supports the modding community and bug-fixes with regularity not seen by any other company. And yet, you are first to passively-aggressively attack them for "not caring" because, laughably, you do not care for them. You just want stuff. And you make a comforting lie around it about how it's about "community" and how they are "uncaring" to explain what is, in truth, nothing more than an egoistic "I WANT"

Wholly ♥♥♥♥ you are fast, you are way to invested at defending every single comment, it wasn't even a reply to you.

[Dunhill]

Originally posted by Last:

Originally posted by Smoke:

They're doing the best possible thing they could be doing. It's amazing that they've made you not care. Do you really want another cyberpunk launch? You want for the devs to keep you hyped, to constantly tease you with their product, keep delaying it, generate hype because marketing and then deliver garbage?

They are doing the worst thing making people not care, I was never asking for hype or weekly updates, Just anything, maybe something every 3 months to just let the community that loves the game know something. Communication with the community that supports them is kinda important, it just needs to be done right. Just be clear with whats going on, and never give dates for anything, you'll make a lot more people happy then disappointed.
Just look at Dyson sphere a Chinese company has better communication and care more about their community.

How are they doing the worst thing? The way there're going at it, it looks like when they get a release date in mind and the expansion is near finish, they'all announce it, hype will be generated and a good product will be delivered. They don't want to hype the game early and create an impatient community that will rush them or reveal what they're doing only for it to turn out cut from the game.
Maybe there's not too much to reveal, or the stuff they have right now might not make it to the final game and they don't want to disappoint. We can't know. And again, them being silent ain't generating hype, which is good.

[Dunhill]

Originally posted by Last:

Originally posted by Dr. Full Frontal:

1. Making people not care is exactly the plan. They do not want to hype it up early.
2. "Just anything". "Maybe something every 3 months". "Just tell us exactly what is going on". This is the progression in ONE POST.
3. Communication with the community is... optional. At best. It's nice for an EA game and for competitive games, but neither applies.
4. Until "explain clearly what's going on" turns out to change down the line, and all the "happy people" start attacking you for "owning too many mansions" and "wasting time on switch port"
5. DS is in EA. WUBE still supports the modding community and bug-fixes with regularity not seen by any other company. And yet, you are first to passively-aggressively attack them for "not caring" because, laughably, you do not care for them. You just want stuff. And you make a comforting lie around it about how it's about "community" and how they are "uncaring" to explain what is, in truth, nothing more than an egoistic "I WANT"

Wholly ♥♥♥♥ you are fast, you are way to invested at defending every single comment, it wasn't even a reply to you.

so? Who's forbidding him from answering? It's not even like it's inappropriate.