Last friday facts "yumminess"?

[Chuck]

The very last picture on the most recent friday facts, shows crafting some organic crafting item, "Jelly-yum" or something like that, and the product has a "yummy value" of 2MJ.

What? What is yummy value? Why is yummy value?

[Goblin]

"The quirk of the Biochamber is that it needs to be fed Nutrients to operate." -FFF-414

They're nutrients, with that value. Maybe nutrient items can have different values, or maybe there's different nutrient items later on. Presumably the MJ is a placeholder left over from reusing the old energy system to program the new one. Maybe it'll be changed to MY, megayummies.

[Chuck]

I feel like calories would be the most clear unit to use. I dont like naming it yummy. I think its an out of place name.

[Chindraba]

I'm completely clueless as to why "Yummy" is the unit of measure here. I'm reasonably certain that something else, even calorie, would make more sense. However, I've realized that in some cases they, the devs, pick terms or do things, in a bit of "fun" spirit.

There may yet be disclosed an association between the 'megayummy' and some other cultural thing I don't know. The personal fusion reactor equipment being a Mr. Fusion from Back to the Future, or the So long and thanks for all the fish achievement coming from Hitchhikers' Guide to the Universe are a couple examples. The names of the quality levels tossed me a trick as well. I've no issue with the quality mechanic, even the RNG nature of it. The names, however, seemed completely non-Factorio-ish. I later learned what most already knew. The names, and their ranking, already existed as levels or rarity in another game which happens to be popular with the developers. The names are no less out of place than they were, but they are understandable in the context of other 'things' sneaking onto Nauvis with the engineer. We may yet learn that yummy has some similar connection. And, if not, oh well, it's a game.

[malogoss]

Remember how they used to playtest a version of the game in which stack inserters did not stack items but bulk inserters did?

Seems like naming things is not their #1 strength. I don't care much, but I understand most will care more than I do.

But this is such an odd name, can't imagine it's not something temporary.

[cswiger]

Originally posted by Chindraba:

I'm completely clueless as to why "Yummy" is the unit of measure here.

It's not. Measuring food energy content in terms of megajoules rather than dietary calories is a perfectly respectable approach.

1 MJ ~= 240 (dietary) calories. Alternatively, 4184 J = 1 kcal = 1 (dietary) calorie.

[The_Mell]

Calories as a name might not fit if you think about spoilage as a way to degrade to 0%.
Spoiled food might not longer be good to feed an organism but still would have calories because you could literally burn that stuff to generate some useable energy.

Is there a normed unit for 'feeding factor'?
i can remember from hospital that they used 'bread units' as an equal to 1 slice of bread to handle amount of food given to people diagnosed with diabetes.


But after all as Chiandraba said:
It's a game.
Some quirkiness is ok and might even add to the experience.

And it's a game supporting mods, too,...


*Edit*
And, of course, calories and MJ are just different scales for energy.

[Fel]

Originally posted by Goblin:

Presumably the MJ is a placeholder left over from reusing the old energy system to program the new one. Maybe it'll be changed to MY, megayummies.

Joules is a unit for energy, it applies to burnable fuels and batteries of course, but also to kinetic energy (the latent energy of anything that is moving) and food (it is an energy source for living beings).

At the back of most food containers, you should have a table with many things, including energy expressed in calories and joules.

So joules are fine here, since it is an expression of the energy in the item.

[Flubbred]

Yummers value

[Galileus]

Originally posted by malogoss:

Remember how they used to playtest a version of the game in which stack inserters did not stack items but bulk inserters did?

Seems like naming things is not their #1 strength.

Just to intrude here, stack inserters already existed in the game when they added bulk inserters and stacking mechanic, so it was less a matter of naming fail and more figuring out if switching names around is worth the lack of continuity. Not arguing your point, just the proof given.

[malogoss]

Originally posted by Ass Grenadier:

Just to intrude here, stack inserters already existed in the game when they added bulk inserters and stacking mechanic, so it was less a matter of naming fail and more figuring out if switching names around is worth the lack of continuity. Not arguing your point, just the proof given.

"Stack inserters" made sense until it didn't. Not renaming things when needed is just a subset of being bad at naming things, to me at least.

Feel free to disagree.

[knighttemplar1960]

I suspect its just a place holder and I wouldn't put it past the devs to it being a humorous reference to Yum! brand foods (KFC, Pizza Hut, Taco Bell,) which I imagine the devs consume frequently or it may be a humorous reference to Yummie brand shapewear that one or more devolper's wives might wear. We should be able to do a conversion to kcal or kj when we find out how much spoilage it takes to power a boiler and steam engines.

[Galileus]

Originally posted by malogoss:

"Stack inserters" made sense until it didn't. Not renaming things when needed is just a subset of being bad at naming things, to me at least.

Feel free to disagree.

Honestly, this just feels to me like arguing for the arguing sake. By that post, they are not bad at naming, because they did rename bulk/stack inserters when they realized it is needed. As in, after the community supported the change. You can argue this was wrong and proves they are bad at naming, but you can also argue this is correct and they would be bad at naming if they did do that right away. It's an impossible argument.

Do you have any other examples of how they are bad at naming? And no, Quality names do not count, since - again - if anything they prove they put thought and meaning behind naming.

Again, I am not trying to argue, but I find it dumbfounding to see this comment. As a board gaming veteran I do know how naming conventions can make or brake a ruleset (looking at you, Expeditions! "save" a card my shapely a**!), and never once have I thought to myself Factorio does it badly.

[Goblin]

Originally posted by Fel:

Originally posted by Goblin:

Presumably the MJ is a placeholder left over from reusing the old energy system to program the new one. Maybe it'll be changed to MY, megayummies.

Joules is a unit for energy, it applies to burnable fuels and batteries of course, but also to kinetic energy (the latent energy of anything that is moving) and food (it is an energy source for living beings).

At the back of most food containers, you should have a table with many things, including energy expressed in calories and joules.

So joules are fine here, since it is an expression of the energy in the item.

No, it isn't? Here it's listed as "Yummy value: 2.0 MJ". Not energy content. Yummy value. Either the first part is placeholder, or the latter. Joules are not a measure of how delicious something is.

[Fel]

Another example of an item that could have something like that would be uranium fuel cells, that are a special type of fuel only used by nuclear reactors.
They opted to list it as "fuel value" at the time but it could also have been marked as "nuclear value" or something else along those lines.

It's the exact same here, fuel for a specific generator that will generate electric power in watts (or joules per second), so joules makes perfect sense to know how much power you can expect from using that item in the generator.

"Yummy value" is just a flavour text (pun not intended but got me smiling anyway), the value in joules is the important data there, and using a different name despite it being joules would make little sense.

You read it as "measure of how delicious something is", but the game means it as "amount of energy you can get by using it as fuel in the correct generator".

[Chindraba]

Originally posted by Fel:

Another example of an item that could have something like that would be uranium fuel cells, that are a special type of fuel only used by nuclear reactors.
They opted to list it as "fuel value" at the time but it could also have been marked as "nuclear value" or something else along those lines.

It's the exact same here, fuel for a specific generator that will generate electric power in watts (or joules per second), so joules makes perfect sense to know how much power you can expect from using that item in the generator.

"Yummy value" is just a flavour text (pun not intended but got me smiling anyway), the value in joules is the important data there, and using a different name despite it being joules would make little sense.

You read it as "measure of how delicious something is", but the game means it as "amount of energy you can get by using it as fuel in the correct generator".

The hype-overload is getting to me, so I've mostly scanned, rather than digested, the past month or so of FFFs and could easily have missed, or miss-applied, something. I think the yummy stuff is used by the biochamber and seems more like a catalyst than a power source. Something like the water in the oil cracking recipes. I'm guessing the 'MJ' was left in by mistake and it should be, and in the release will be, 'MY' for mega-yummy. They probably used the same system, conceptually if not in code itself, to deal with the yummy values which is used to deal with joule values for power systems. The biochamber probably has a power draw, in kW or MW, like any other assembler, and a nutrient draw (either static like the power or different per recipe) measured in kY or MY. Speculation....