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Digital Zephyr Oct 28, 2024 @ 7:37am
Does Space Age affect the base game?
I am new to the game. I played some of the demo (up to stage 5). I am kind of sold, but not $70 sold. I was thinking would like to purchase the base game and if I liked it enough continue with the DLC.
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Heinz234 Oct 28, 2024 @ 7:38am 
Originally posted by Digital Zephyr:
I was thinking would like to purchase the base game and if I liked it enough continue with the DLC.
That's the way to do it!
Fletch Oct 28, 2024 @ 8:06am 
Originally posted by Heinz234:
Originally posted by Digital Zephyr:
I was thinking would like to purchase the base game and if I liked it enough continue with the DLC.
That's the way to do it!

That's the right answer. New players should just start with the base game and get tons of hours of enjoyment out of that first, before going for the DLC. There is no discount to purchase both together, so there is only a dis-incentive for new players to purchase them at the same time. If the game doesn't meet your expectations, you saved yourself $35 by not purchasing the DLC.

Does Space Age affect the base game?
Technically yes: It makes the "base game" much easier (launching the rocket is the win condition in the base game), and the DLC locks other research items behind getting to other planets. So the "win condition" of the base game, is now the "mid game" for the DLC <--- but launching that first rocket is much simpler with the DLC enabled.

Hope this makes sense, lol.
Drizzt Oct 28, 2024 @ 8:36am 
just going to add on agreement to the premise

yes - it makes sense to purchase the first game and play it for as long as you need to decide if you want more content

as has been stated, there is no price deal for buying both together - which is good - because many people do want to buy "the whole thing", and are more likely to do so if there is a deal

as an aside - i personally got burned the other way with Fallout 4, where the base game cost $15, and the DLC "Season Pass" pack cost $30 - but if you bought both together it was also $30 - well i had heard mixed things about the game, and decided i would just buy the main game in case i didn't like it enough to get the DLC - turns out it is one of my fave games ever, despite its many flaws - and so i ended up paying 50% more than i would have done to get the game and DLC if i had just bought them together and gambled that i would like it

that is not a problem here - not only is there no bonus for buying the DLC before you are ready (or penalty for buying it later) - but it is not at all required in order to get a full experience from the original - in fact the original game is its own standalone thing, where the goal is to launch a rocket, which is at the end of a very long tech tree, with 5 stages of technology

the DLC changes things so that the rocket is part of tech stage 3, and after that point the player is doing research concurrently in space and on up to 5 planets

the DLC also requires some familiarity with the game mechanics, and both the enjoyment of them, and the ability to think around them to solve the new logistical problems - which comes with having played the original for a while

so the point is - definitely there is no downside to getting the base game first - worst case scenario is you saved yourself $35 if you decide you don't want the DLC

best case scenario is you get a massive amount of fun from the first game, and then eventually buy the DLC and get even more fun from that and finally see what we were talking about :-)

and as a bonus, if you have played the original for a while first, the DLC will likely feel much better than if your first play is with the DLC enabled - since you will have played the full 5 levels of tech on the first planet - and so the quicker route to space of the DLC will feel good :-)

anyway - good luck with your decision - and i hope if you decide to get the base game that you enjoy it - and then when you get the DLC that you enjoy that too :-)
Fel Oct 28, 2024 @ 8:45am 
It only affects the "base game" when space age is turned on though (the rocket is made much quicker in order to access the space-related content faster as well, the tech tree is also altered quite a bit), the real base game is completely unaffected and accessible by disabling space age.
Digital Zephyr Oct 28, 2024 @ 10:41am 
Yeah this is what I wanted to know. Looks like Space Age actually takes away from the base game if you didn't play it. So I probably will just start with the base game.
Drizzt Oct 28, 2024 @ 11:49am 
Originally posted by Digital Zephyr:
Yeah this is what I wanted to know. Looks like Space Age actually takes away from the base game if you didn't play it. So I probably will just start with the base game.
it's more that:
since you need the base game to play Space Age anyway, it makes sense to play that game first to see if you enjoy it - since if you don't enjoy the general mechanics and goal oriented gameplay, then more of the same (if more varied) in Space Age is unlikely to be worth it to you

i wouldn't say that Space Age takes away from the base game - and may even be more fun for new players as a first time - but only if they enjoy the game enough to get to the point where productions chains start getting bigger and more varied - which is the point at which the two games split - and up until that point they are almost identical

and so i would say that if you enjoy Factorio enough to get up automating blue science, and getting all those technologies researched - then there is a good chance that you will enjoy Space Age, and the extra variety that it adds

and people will always be around to ask questions of if you want to know more about how Space Age differs from the original

but essentially - if you are able to launch a rocket in Factorio, and enjoyed getting it done (even if some of it was frustrating or seemingly insurmountable because the production chains are just too big or produce items too slow if you don't build them big enough etc) then you will be able to do it much faster in Space Age, and will have more interesting goals to work towards and more varied production chains to design - which will likely be even more fun than the original

also you can revert the original to the 1.1.110 version (in the betas tab) and you will have thousands of mods to play with, including many massive overhauls that are very fun and challenging and varied

but i would suggest avoiding mods until you are used to the game

anyway - good luck and i hope you have fun if you choose to risk an incurable Factorio addiction :-)
Last edited by Drizzt; Oct 28, 2024 @ 11:50am
Digital Zephyr Oct 29, 2024 @ 6:09am 
Originally posted by Drizzt:

also you can revert the original to the 1.1.110 version (in the betas tab) and you will have thousands of mods to play with, including many massive overhauls that are very fun and challenging and varied

I saw Circuit Network in the tech tree, I didn't see it in the demo, should I be playing 1.1.110 for the full experience ?
Khaylain Oct 29, 2024 @ 6:17am 
2.0 is the current full experience.
1.1.110 is the older full experience. They should be essentially the same, but 2.0 have some more QoL (quality of life) updates and performance upgrades for the game engine.

I would recommend you play with 2.0 if you haven't already played a lot on 1.1.110 and have strong opinions on specific things that 2.0 changed a little.
Drizzt Oct 29, 2024 @ 6:18am 
Originally posted by Digital Zephyr:
Originally posted by Drizzt:

also you can revert the original to the 1.1.110 version (in the betas tab) and you will have thousands of mods to play with, including many massive overhauls that are very fun and challenging and varied

I saw Circuit Network in the tech tree, I didn't see it in the demo, should I be playing 1.1.110 for the full experience ?
no not at all - the demo is from 1.1.110 - and you will likely not have seen any 2.0 features

the reason you did not see circuit network in the demo is because the demo has a fraction of the tech tree

i would suggest playing 2.0 (or currently 2.0.12), and letting the game update when they patch it (they are fixing bugs every day, but you are unlikely to experience any in normal play - since they are very diligent in fixing absolutely everything as quickly as possible, based on severity)

the only reason i mentioned 1.1.110 is for much later, when you may want some more content, but are maybe not yet wanting to buy the DLC - because the base game has a massive library of mods - but most are not updated to the current version (the game got an engine update to support the DLC, i.e. the upgrade to 2.0.x)

however, by the time you are ready for overhaul mods, many may have been updated to 2.0.x

so - short answer - no - the full, best experience of the vanilla game will be with the latest 2.0.x version - which has the full tech tree, including circuits - as well as the new way of acquiring certain techs, by crafting or harvesting specific items, which is more immersive

i hope that all makes sense :-)
Last edited by Drizzt; Oct 29, 2024 @ 6:19am
Digital Zephyr Oct 29, 2024 @ 6:33am 
Ok was just wondering if they added enough in 2.0 so you can get to DLC stuff faster that I might miss stuff from the base. So, I should be good to continue 2.0. Thanks.
Drizzt Oct 29, 2024 @ 6:44am 
Originally posted by Digital Zephyr:
Ok was just wondering if they added enough in 2.0 so you can get to DLC stuff faster that I might miss stuff from the base. So, I should be good to continue 2.0. Thanks.
yes - all good to go with 2.0 :-)

if you have the DLC enabled it will change the tech tree for that playthrough - but without it you get the full original base game, just with the upgraded engine and some QoL enhancements as Khaylain said

enjoy :-)
Last edited by Drizzt; Oct 29, 2024 @ 6:45am
chrisbamb Oct 29, 2024 @ 6:51am 
Originally posted by Digital Zephyr:
Yeah this is what I wanted to know. Looks like Space Age actually takes away from the base game if you didn't play it. So I probably will just start with the base game.


Best way in my opinion. I have 872 hours at present on the base game and have launched probably somewhere around 5-8 rockets in that time. The sense of achievement of slowly building the base to launch that rocket is great.

As soon as it's launched, I start again on a new map. I don't re-roll any maps, I play with what it gives me.

At this moment in time, I don't intend to purchase Space Age as I enjoy the base game too much and don't want to lose that side of the game. :steamhappy:
Caramel_Clown Oct 29, 2024 @ 6:58am 
Base game is a complete and self sufficient experience. In fact, space age doesn't just add things. It changes it fundamentally. So, currently there's basically two viable vanilla experiences - base game and space age.
Drizzt Oct 29, 2024 @ 7:02am 
Originally posted by chrisbamb:
At this moment in time, I don't intend to purchase Space Age as I enjoy the base game too much and don't want to lose that side of the game. :steamhappy:
you won't "lose" it - at any time you can disable the Space Age module and play the base game with the original tech tree, with the rocket at the end - and you also have the option to keep the Quality and Elevated Rails modules that come with it enabled, and use those in the base game
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