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[🌦SunsetRain🌦]

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[Morsk]

Many players would be upset at Steam Workshop support, including myself. It is bad for games because modders start pulling their content off other sites, to get more downloads and algorithm rank on Steam Workshop, and it splits the community.

It would also be unfair to people who aren't on Steam, to have mods pulled off the official website and made Steam-only. And it would be annoying even to Steam users, as many use non-Steam installations.

[The Renderer]

Also the full game is not $70. I know what you mean but considering by now some games actually cost $70 on release, this is not the same.

[Tank Magnet]

Originally posted by Morsk:

Many players would be very upset at Steam Workshop support, including myself. It is very bad for games because modders start pulling their content off other sites, to get more downloads and algorithm rank on Steam Workshop, and it splits the community.

It would also be unfair to people who aren't on Steam, to have mods pulled off the official website and made Steam-only. And it would be annoying even to Steam users, as many use non-Steam installations.

Not to mention that getting mods via the in-game interface is incredibly painless and easy to do. Far easier and faster on average than browsing the steam workshop in my personal opinion. Frankly, it's just as, if not easier, than having to search the steam workshop for mods.

Literally there is no real benefit to switching over to the workshop for Factorio. For some games, sure, workshop support can be helpful, but it's not for every game, and this is one of them.

[Khaylain]

You get two different games for 70 USD. One is the base game that has been for years, the other is a different "mode", I guess, where your goals change and the gameplay is extended.
You don't need the expansion. I would go so far as to say nobody should buy the expansion without already having played the base game and knowing they like it. And before they buy the base game they should try the demo to see if it's even remotely interesting to them.

[Avloren]

Factorio has a built-in mod manager far superior to Steam Workshop. It's the gold standard that other games should be trying to measure up to. You're asking them to downgrade to a worse option.

[luziferius]

Steam Workshop forces auto-updates mods. This breaks stuff and forces everyone on the latest version, even if it is incompatible with the base version you have selected via the Steam beta build system.
The in-game mod manager handles all that without forcing updates and always offers versions marked compatible with the game version you are running.

[kremlin]

the Steam Workshop is a terrible modding platform. It is worst in class in mod management. The absolute worst. Stop trying to force that crap on people.

[kremlin]

Originally posted by 🌦SunsetRain🌦:

Originally posted by kremlin:

the Steam Workshop is a terrible modding platform. It is worst in class in mod management. The absolute worst. Stop trying to force that crap on people.

Again, no one said workshop only. Stop being brain dead and read.

Stop trying to sell people on worse solutions just because you use them.
What you use sucks. Stop making it a someone else problem.

[brian_va]

Originally posted by 🌦SunsetRain🌦:

Originally posted by kremlin:

the Steam Workshop is a terrible modding platform. It is worst in class in mod management. The absolute worst. Stop trying to force that crap on people.

Again, no one said workshop only. Stop being brain dead and read.

the workshop provides no version control; the in game one does and wont allow you to install a mod that will break your game.

[Scipione]

Originally posted by 🌦SunsetRain🌦:

Originally posted by kremlin:

the Steam Workshop is a terrible modding platform. It is worst in class in mod management. The absolute worst. Stop trying to force that crap on people.

Again, no one said workshop only. Stop being brain dead and read.

don't think workshop can be somehow integrated "one to one", the way mods and mod updates are handeled in the internal mod manager differs from steam. And since its a working ingame tool with no need for anything external there is not much reason to change that.
(and just for your info: this game supports automated mod downloads on server joins or savegame loads)

[Imagine Wagons]

With Steam Workshop you have to keep same version of mods between clients and servers. You can run headless server without steam with mods that you pull from your client, and keep the same version for months without updating (for better or worse, but keeps things consistent). Steam Workshop can and will force update for your mods, which can break stuff and there is nothing you can do about it, and will make server out of sync for mods version. Also multiple mod places means you will have mods in one place that are not in another, forcing you to juggle around with mods. Fracturing the community is one of the worst things that can happen, and it is the reason why Nexus is so big for modding communities.

Factorio already has perfectly working mod portal that is already more flexible than workshop, since it allows you to keep older mods version that you can switch between on demand, extremely useful to keep things going between various playthroughs that use different mod versions for dependencies (due to mods also not being updated and using older mod version instead of newest).

[brian_va]

Originally posted by 🌦SunsetRain🌦:

Originally posted by brian_va:

the workshop provides no version control; the in game one does and wont allow you to install a mod that will break your game.

Try running a mod that is out of date, factorio lets you know its not compatible.

yes, thats my point. version control.

[kremlin]

Originally posted by 🌦SunsetRain🌦:

Originally posted by brian_va:

the workshop provides no version control; the in game one does and wont allow you to install a mod that will break your game.

Try running a mod that is out of date, factorio lets you know its not compatible.

Originally posted by kremlin:

Stop trying to sell people on worse solutions just because you use them.
What you use sucks. Stop making it a someone else problem.

Some people like not needing to check forums for mod updates and just letting steam handle it.

Apparently you aren't even aware of the built in mod management to begin with.
Stop using steam workshop.
You need to stop using Steam Workshop so you can learn.

[RiO]

Originally posted by luziferius:

Steam Workshop forces auto-updates mods. This breaks stuff and forces everyone on the latest version, even if it is incompatible with the base version you have selected via the Steam beta build system.

Using the beta build system to keep a locked executable version is possibly broken anyway.
Space Age may be using a different executable, which ships with the Steam DLC depot rather than the main depot.

People are already reporting that selecting the 1.110 beta branch to downgrade to and continue an older session with mods that are as of yet incompatible with 2.0, will not work unless they also go into Steam's DLC tab and uninstall the Space Age DLC.

If the Space Age DLC is linked to installing a different executable, then Space Age owners will not be able to keep a version-locked version of Factorio anymore, unless Steam at one point changed the fact that individual DLC does not work through beta branch selection.

[Scipione]

Originally posted by RiO:

If the Space Age DLC is linked to installing a different executable, then Space Age owners will not be able to keep a version-locked version of Factorio anymore, unless Steam at one point changed the fact that individual DLC does not work through beta branch selection.

thats just wrong. The "stupid" thing is: you need to disable the "space age", "elevated rails" and the "quality" mods before you downgrade your version through steam, or it will not downgrade because of dependencies, this is badly communicated currently inside the game