Have they changed ratios with the 2.0 and Space Update?

[Nico]

I'm finding info in different places, and I feel a bit of cognitive dissonance with parts of the game. copper wires, furnace speed, water pump amount, etc...

[db48x]

Yep, every single one. You now need four assemblers making copper wire for every pair making green circuits just so that you can have the thrill of discovering the best way to arrange them all over again.

[MangoMan]

just do the math as you go?

[BlueRock]

Some machines have built in productivity even without modules, and putting in your own prod modules with further change the ratios when you feed one machine into another. However, they did help us out a bit since it now displays the rate in items per second for each ingredient and output item if you simply hover over each machine which is nice.

[Nico]

Originally posted by BlueRock:

... now displays the rate in items per second for each ingredient and output item if you simply hover over each machine which is nice.

Maybe that's it. Really weird for me, cause the math still seems fine to me from what I have through.

I think I just didn't realize some of the QoL changes then, but my brain did.

[POWER WITHIN USER]

They didn't change things that would impact the players' previous builds, but they did change certain things such as the amount of water needed to make steam - boilers are way less thirsty.

[RiO]

Originally posted by Klud:

I'm finding info in different places, and I feel a bit of cognitive dissonance with parts of the game. copper wires, furnace speed, water pump amount, etc...

Assuming copper to green circuits here, copper has remained the same.
Furnace speed for plate smelting is also the same. It's only the later rework with Vulcanus' foundries that completely upends things for smelting - if you're playing Space Age.

Offshore pump has been decimated from 12000 p/sec to 1200 p/sec, mirroring the normal inline pump which is now also 1200 p/sec to keep the fluid system a bit challenging when reaching the max extent (320 grid squares) of length before a pipeline must be re-pressurized.

In case of offshore pumps the effect is largely canceled out by boilers and heat exchangers now converting water to steam at a 1:10 ratio rather than 1:1. (This actually makes building nuclear plants a lot easier, fyi.)

[luziferius]

Originally posted by RiO:

Offshore pump has been decimated from 12000 p/sec to 1200 p/sec

That's regular pumps. Offshore were always 1200 water/s.

You know the old, optimal coal power plant ratio 1:20:40? Boilers took 60 water. 60w/s*20=1200w/s

[RiO]

Originally posted by luziferius:

Originally posted by RiO:

Offshore pump has been decimated from 12000 p/sec to 1200 p/sec

That's regular pumps. Offshore were always 1200 water/s.

You know the old, optimal coal power plant ratio 1:20:40? Boilers took 60 water. 60w/s*20=1200w/s

Oh right. I got my wires crossed there.
Regular pump got decimated to 1200 p/sec because 12000 p/sec was realistically only needed for nuclear plants. and with the 1:10 ratio no longer wasn't. So now the limited pumping capacity for one pump becomes a puzzle element to resolve in fluid networks with wide extents.

[Biometrix]

Originally posted by db48x:

Yep, every single one. You now need four assemblers making copper wire for every pair making green circuits just so that you can have the thrill of discovering the best way to arrange them all over again.

What?

[Nico]

Originally posted by Biometrix:

Originally posted by db48x:

Yep, every single one. You now need four assemblers making copper wire for every pair making green circuits just so that you can have the thrill of discovering the best way to arrange them all over again.

What?

He's just making a joke