I would buy factorio plus space DLC for the price of factorio

[Frieren]

Yeah, this price is not for me. I like what DLC has to offer (no just the pure factorio experience) but I am not going to spend such a huge amount of money. This should be boundled and sold for like 35$ max.

[Mad Scientist]

Publicado originalmente por FadeXF:

I genuinely appreciate the forum mods banning people who ravenously cut down people providing their feedback about the price of the game. I've noticed that consistently in posts speaking about the pricing.

The funny thing is almost always a tiny dive into the posting habits of such individuals, the observation shows going from game hub to game hub asking if its like x/y/z game, or they would buy it IF with some condition like price or irrelevant things, and almost never do such individuals ever actually own a game of a hub they're in.

Some have made a habit of going from hub to hub asking for a discount. One individual was here for about 2-3 years spamming "I'd buy it only on sale" and finally got removed for spam. In that scenario, the user owned 2,000 games so it's not like it's expensive to someone that throws money around on games.

[FadeXF]

Publicado originalmente por Mad Scientist:

Publicado originalmente por FadeXF:

I genuinely appreciate the forum mods banning people who ravenously cut down people providing their feedback about the price of the game. I've noticed that consistently in posts speaking about the pricing.

The funny thing is almost always a tiny dive into the posting habits of such individuals, the observation shows going from game hub to game hub asking if its like x/y/z game, or they would buy it IF with some condition like price or irrelevant things, and almost never do such individuals ever actually own a game of a hub they're in.

Some have made a habit of going from hub to hub asking for a discount. One individual was here for about 2-3 years spamming "I'd buy it only on sale" and finally got removed for spam. In that scenario, the user owned 2,000 games so it's not like it's expensive to someone that throws money around on games.

Gross. That would be annoying.

[RiO]

Publicado originalmente por FadeXF:

I'd love to do some sort of analyse on people who are so hardcore about the pricing when (ya'll MUST be business owners or something lol), truly, the way that Factorio + Factorio Space Age pricing is different to about 99% of the titles out there. And when people are asking about it: WABAM this entire population comes alive to try to justify and shut down the correctly asked questions.

Because those questions have been answered to death and then some.
And all it would take an actual well intention-ed individual, would be to look back and search for and read existing threads - which is part of general forum etiquette guidelines.

But what most users posting these 'questions' are interested in, is not the genuine seeking of an answer to their question. It's to stomp their feet and protest, because they don't like thing as they are.

Well-- tough. The price policy is at it is. For reasons stated as they be.
You can debate and discuss about it, politely. But you have no moral right to barge in like you own the place and start a bloody damned picketing line.

[DaBa]

Well, too bad. The devs think their game and the expansion are worth more than that. People seem to agree too.

[MechBFP]

Publicado originalmente por FadeXF:

I genuinely appreciate the forum mods banning people who ravenously cut down people providing their feedback about the price of the game. I've noticed that consistently in posts speaking about the pricing.

I'd love to do some sort of analyse on people who are so hardcore about the pricing when (ya'll MUST be business owners or something lol), truly, the way that Factorio + Factorio Space Age pricing is different to about 99% of the titles out there. And when people are asking about it: WABAM this entire population comes alive to try to justify and shut down the correctly asked questions.

It's truly weird to me. It's the same people who, if rent consistently increased year after year (40% in 6 years) would just not even question it. It's fine that "they"stagnate your wages and boost line by line item on the entire planet. But hey: we should absolutely never question it.

I'm 100% not buying this xpac until my buddy and my brother and my son (who don't own a copy of Factorio) can buy the original for anything cheaper than it is now + Xpac. I've played Factorio for hundreds of hours and it's a gem. Totally agree. However Xpacs should not double the costs for brand new players.

Can you even imagine any other game? Let's pick on World of Warcraft. Imagine if they left all the xpacs exactly the same costs over the last 10 years and also the base game exactly 60 bucks as when it first came out? LOL - like: go on, justify that. Let me know.

Looking down my library here of hundreds and hundreds of games: I can't pin point even ONE GAME which left the pricing of the original game exactly the same as when an xpac was released.

People are 100000% right to ask about it. It actually is very greedy of this company. Like it or not. And people should continue to bring it up and ask questions about where their hard earned money is going. You should too.



EDIT:

Lets's extrapolate World of Warcraft:

Original game: lets' say 65 bucks
The Burning Crusade - 65
Wrath of the Lich King - 65
Cataclysm - 65
Mists of Pandaria - 65
Warlords of Draenor - 65
Legion - 65
Battle for Azeroth - 65
Shadowlands - 65
Dragonflight - 65
War From Within: 65 (confirmed just now: 65 CND)

Imagine? Someone never even trying WOW suddenly to catch up with their buddies have to shell out 710 CND??

That's the logic here with Factorio (45 CND) + Space Age (45 CND) = (90 CND)

So when Factorio DLC number 2 comes along then Factorio + Space Age + DLC2 unnamed etc??

It's weird to me that people are lining up to justify and defend this behaviour from a company. Good game or poor. Doesn't matter.

You are just complaining because people have a different opinion than you. If you want to post your opinion online and not have anyone be able to disagree go start a blog or a live journal instead of posting on here.

[FadeXF]

Publicado originalmente por MechBFP:

You are just complaining because people have a different opinion than you. If you want to post your opinion online and not have anyone be able to disagree go start a blog or a live journal instead of posting on here.

And you are here also equally sharing your opinion - but it's ok though, right? It's ok for YOU to do it, but others who happen to not share your opinion... when they do they shouldn't say anything at all. They should just go start a blog or a live journal and not say anything. Just shut up and go to their room. I got that right?

EDIT: I am impressed though that you didn't call me a troll. That is equal standard fare for this sort of interaction. I MUST be trolling... because I don't share your exact thoughts and opinions. =/ Good job!

Also: way to completely and totally avoid anything I wrote. Impressive.

[MangoMan]

yeah I'm not sure. $90CAD would be a bit extreme even with the Space Age part. I'm not sure I can say that it really is worth that price, especially when parts of Space Age seem unfinished to me. if Space Age felt a bit more complete I might say it's worth it, but I don't think I can.

[Taehl]

Hey OP, how about you pour your blood, sweat, and tears into making a videogame for 10 years, then I'll come by and start telling everyone that you're charging too much money for it because clearly I know the value of your labor better than you do. That sounds fair and reasonable, right?

[MechBFP]

Publicado originalmente por FadeXF:

Publicado originalmente por MechBFP:

You are just complaining because people have a different opinion than you. If you want to post your opinion online and not have anyone be able to disagree go start a blog or a live journal instead of posting on here.

And you are here also equally sharing your opinion - but it's ok though, right? It's ok for YOU to do it, but others who happen to not share your opinion... when they do they shouldn't say anything at all. They should just go start a blog or a live journal and not say anything. Just shut up and go to their room. I got that right?

EDIT: I am impressed though that you didn't call me a troll. That is equal standard fare for this sort of interaction. I MUST be trolling... because I don't share your exact thoughts and opinions. =/ Good job!

Also: way to completely and totally avoid anything I wrote. Impressive.

You can say whatever you want here other than complaining when others disagree with you. Feel free to disagree with them all you want, but no one cares for your victim attitude.

[FadeXF]

Publicado originalmente por Taehl:

Hey OP, how about you pour your blood, sweat, and tears into making a videogame for 10 years, then I'll come by and start telling everyone that you're charging too much money for it because clearly I know the value of your labor better than you do. That sounds fair and reasonable, right?

I'm not the OP. I do have a firm belief that the pricing of the original Factorio is now over priced on the introduction of Space Age. Factorio early access was out 2016 (arguably 2013 if you count you could access initial iterations as a backer). This game is shortly closing in on the 10 year old mark. That alone should genuinely merit a drop of price however...

Can you even name a single title that has an expansion and that expansion release didn't mean the original base game's price drop? I really can't think of any off hand. This is fully counter to the entire industry standard. And why? "Because they chose to" - ok, great. So their action is fully greed based. Got it.

To not even drop the base game by even 5 bucks or 10 bucks... to me that is just fully greed driven. The title is good. I agree. However when you factor in that a brand new player to the game will fork out 90 bucks for a 10 year old title to play with their buddies? It's a tough sell.

I think that's the issue here. They have every right as a developer to set their prices. However also true: I have every right as a consumer to boycott them due to their corporate greed, and discuss these issues on the forums. If that is your argument then don't be shocked or surprised when both parties do their thing.

[FadeXF]

Publicado originalmente por MechBFP:

Publicado originalmente por FadeXF:

And you are here also equally sharing your opinion - but it's ok though, right? It's ok for YOU to do it, but others who happen to not share your opinion... when they do they shouldn't say anything at all. They should just go start a blog or a live journal and not say anything. Just shut up and go to their room. I got that right?

EDIT: I am impressed though that you didn't call me a troll. That is equal standard fare for this sort of interaction. I MUST be trolling... because I don't share your exact thoughts and opinions. =/ Good job!

Also: way to completely and totally avoid anything I wrote. Impressive.

You can say whatever you want here other than complaining when others disagree with you. Feel free to disagree with them all you want, but no one cares for your victim attitude.

Again: you haven't addressed anything at all that I've written only labelling me a victim attitude... (at least you didn't say troll this once - again: good job!)

Why bother if you aren't wanting to participate in a discussion? Just move on if it's this terse for you.

[MechBFP]

Publicado originalmente por FadeXF:

Publicado originalmente por MechBFP:

You can say whatever you want here other than complaining when others disagree with you. Feel free to disagree with them all you want, but no one cares for your victim attitude.

Again: you haven't addressed anything at all that I've written only labelling me a victim attitude... (at least you didn't say troll this once - again: good job!)

Why bother if you aren't wanting to participate in a discussion? Just move on if it's this terse for you.

That’s because I have already addressed it. Don’t like the answer, tough luck I guess.

[FadeXF]

Publicado originalmente por MangoMan:

yeah I'm not sure. $90CAD would be a bit extreme even with the Space Age part. I'm not sure I can say that it really is worth that price, especially when parts of Space Age seem unfinished to me. if Space Age felt a bit more complete I might say it's worth it, but I don't think I can.

Also knowing that a lot of what is offered in Space Age: there are mods out there which put in a lot of effort and work similar to this DLC. A lot of it being direct copy paste. No doubt in my mind a break down of someone else's coding and efforts without giving them proper dues.

[FadeXF]

Publicado originalmente por MechBFP:

Publicado originalmente por FadeXF:

Again: you haven't addressed anything at all that I've written only labelling me a victim attitude... (at least you didn't say troll this once - again: good job!)

Why bother if you aren't wanting to participate in a discussion? Just move on if it's this terse for you.

That’s because I have already addressed it. Don’t like the answer, tough luck I guess.

Same on my end. Tough luck. See you soon in my posts though.

[Khaylain]

Publicado originalmente por FadeXF:

Publicado originalmente por Taehl:

Hey OP, how about you pour your blood, sweat, and tears into making a videogame for 10 years, then I'll come by and start telling everyone that you're charging too much money for it because clearly I know the value of your labor better than you do. That sounds fair and reasonable, right?

I'm not the OP. I do have a firm belief that the pricing of the original Factorio is now over priced on the introduction of Space Age. Factorio early access was out 2016 (arguably 2013 if you count you could access initial iterations as a backer). This game is shortly closing in on the 10 year old mark. That alone should genuinely merit a drop of price however...

Can you even name a single title that has an expansion and that expansion release didn't mean the original base game's price drop? I really can't think of any off hand. This is fully counter to the entire industry standard. And why? "Because they chose to" - ok, great. So their action is fully greed based. Got it.

To not even drop the base game by even 5 bucks or 10 bucks... to me that is just fully greed driven. The title is good. I agree. However when you factor in that a brand new player to the game will fork out 90 bucks for a 10 year old title to play with their buddies? It's a tough sell.

I think that's the issue here. They have every right as a developer to set their prices. However also true: I have every right as a consumer to boycott them due to their corporate greed, and discuss these issues on the forums. If that is your argument then don't be shocked or surprised when both parties do their thing.

Exactly why should age merit a drop in price? Especially when they've worked on it continuously and only went 1.0 in 2020?

And exactly why should people always follow the industry standard? To paraphrase lots of parents: "Would you jump off a bridge if your friends did?"

And a brand new player shouldn't buy the expansion to begin with. They should first try the demo to see if it's even a game they might enjoy. Then they should buy the base game and play through that. And if they still want more I would say they should try the overhaul mods, and only once they've finished with those should they buy the expansion if they still want more. Since the expansion is basically just a new "mode" for Factorio with how it rearranges things, but also expands past the midgame.

Remember; 35 USD today is the same value as 29 USD was in 2020, so it's already cheaper in value today than it was in 2020. And 2.0 was a free update everyone got no matter what. And people can still go back to previous versions through the Betas tab for the game.

EDIT: fixed improperly closed tag