is there any downside to moving all science production to Fulgora?

[DreadLordNaf]

There is so much scrap there, it seems like it would be easy to do all the packs there, except for other planet ones etc.

[Glyph]

Yes. The upgraded lab -- the biolab -- can only be placed on Nauvis. It's a really good building, but if you're ok with normal labs I don't see an issue with your idea. Most would choose Gleba for this though to limit having to move around its spoiling science.

[DreadLordNaf]

ahh i see, ok thanks

[Entropy]

Only grenades(military science) and biolabs(productivity loss)

[Quillithe]

Huh yeah I guess it's impossible to get coal on Fulgora - barring something crazy like dropping carbon from a satellite for coal synthesis. I think that's the only real impossible material.

Kinda interesting to think about which material you can't get on each planet. Like Gleba can't make any of the intermediate oils (or solid fuel) without something from space and an absurd production chain of making coal to make oil from it. Volcanus is the most complete, just lacking iron and copper ore really which is pretty pointless (since you're given an alternate concrete)

[RiO]

Originally posted by Glyph:

Yes. The upgraded lab -- the biolab -- can only be placed on Nauvis. It's a really good building, but if you're ok with normal labs I don't see an issue with your idea. Most would choose Gleba for this though to limit having to move around its spoiling science.

Science stacks to 1000 per rocket though.

You should definitely consider moving science flask production off-world and importing it back to Nauvis for research in biolabs.

The obvious candidate to receive the Nauvis sciences as its new home, is - given infinite metal - Vulcanus. Though you'll want to import bio-sulfur, bio-plastic and bio-carbon from Gleba.

[Torham]

I think the bio lab is just too good to pass up. Plus the purple science needs an absolute crap ton of stone, I cant see Vulcanus being viable to produce purple science en mass when the only source of stone is a byproduct of lava...

[Nonotorious]

There's no coal tho.

[Entropy]

Originally posted by Torham:

I think the bio lab is just too good to pass up. Plus the purple science needs an absolute crap ton of stone, I cant see Vulcanus being viable to produce purple science en mass when the only source of stone is a byproduct of lava...

Nope, it also needs absolute crap of steel which (foundry)will produce stone so no problem there for it.

[JustSmile]

With big mining drills and a few levels of mining productivity Nauvis patches get close enough to infinite though. Importing all science from Vulcanus is too much of a pain.

[argrond]

Fulgora has limited space with no transfer electricity until late game, so you kinda forced to pack all your recycle/production on one single piece of land. Including electricity production. Which can be seriously challenging if you plan to do everything there.

Originally posted by Torham:

I think the bio lab is just too good to pass up. Plus the purple science needs an absolute crap ton of stone, I cant see Vulcanus being viable to produce purple science en mass when the only source of stone is a byproduct of lava...

That "byproduct" made me place 100500 chests just to siphon it to prevent foundries from stopping until I've found another solution for that. So yes, pretty decent place for purple science I'd say.

[Khaylain]

Originally posted by argrond:

Fulgora has limited space with no transfer electricity until late game, so you kinda forced to pack all your recycle/production on one single piece of land. Including electricity production. Which can be seriously challenging if you plan to do everything there.

Originally posted by Torham:

I think the bio lab is just too good to pass up. Plus the purple science needs an absolute crap ton of stone, I cant see Vulcanus being viable to produce purple science en mass when the only source of stone is a byproduct of lava...

That "byproduct" made me place 100500 chests just to siphon it to prevent foundries from stopping until I've found another solution for that. So yes, pretty decent place for purple science I'd say.

Have you found another solution already, or do you need to learn about having inserters putting them in lava?

[Marosh]

Originally posted by Torham:

I think the bio lab is just too good to pass up. Plus the purple science needs an absolute crap ton of stone, I cant see Vulcanus being viable to produce purple science en mass when the only source of stone is a byproduct of lava...

Producing the steel alone covers most of the stone demand. You are still heavely stone positive with the rest of the stuff needed.

The problem on Vulcanos is not the lack of stone, it is the abundance of stone once you go big there. A full stacked green belt is filled pretty quickly.

The stone is the reason why I moved back to nauvis and use the normal ore + calcite recipe. The stone logistics becomes a big problem which I didn't want to deal with, when Nauvis ore patches become pretty much infinite with quality big drills and higher productivity research.

[Quillithe]

Originally posted by Marosh:

Originally posted by Torham:

I think the bio lab is just too good to pass up. Plus the purple science needs an absolute crap ton of stone, I cant see Vulcanus being viable to produce purple science en mass when the only source of stone is a byproduct of lava...

Producing the steel alone covers most of the stone demand. You are still heavely stone positive with the rest of the stuff needed.

The problem on Vulcanos is not the lack of stone, it is the abundance of stone once you go big there. A full stacked green belt is filled pretty quickly.

The stone is the reason why I moved back to nauvis and use the normal ore + calcite recipe. The stone logistics becomes a big problem which I didn't want to deal with, when Nauvis ore patches become pretty much infinite with quality big drills and higher productivity research.

Just dump it in the lava. I have my lava using foundries each green inserter out, two to a belt (add more green inserters if you're speeding them up but I keep my lava pool pretty far from my factory so I'm not too concerned about space and don't bother), and then put two green inserters at the end of the belt to dump into lava.

Problem solved forever.

[argrond]

Originally posted by Khaylain:

Originally posted by argrond:

That "byproduct" made me place 100500 chests just to siphon it to prevent foundries from stopping until I've found another solution for that. So yes, pretty decent place for purple science I'd say.

Have you found another solution already, or do you need to learn about having inserters putting them in lava?

It's an option? Nice, will be using as well.

[RiO]

Originally posted by Torham:

I think the bio lab is just too good to pass up. Plus the purple science needs an absolute crap ton of stone, I cant see Vulcanus being viable to produce purple science en mass when the only source of stone is a byproduct of lava...

Lava is infinite. Make molten iron or copper from lava, with by-product stone; forge it into plates; dump plates into lava and keep the stone. You get a 7.5:1 ratio on calcite to stone, if I'm not mistaken.

Originally posted by Khaylain:

Originally posted by argrond:

Fulgora has limited space with no transfer electricity until late game, so you kinda forced to pack all your recycle/production on one single piece of land. Including electricity production. Which can be seriously challenging if you plan to do everything there.

That "byproduct" made me place 100500 chests just to siphon it to prevent foundries from stopping until I've found another solution for that. So yes, pretty decent place for purple science I'd say.

Have you found another solution already, or do you need to learn about having inserters putting them in lava?

No-no-no.
First you convert it into landfill; then you dump it into the lava.


Saves you from having to build a mountain of lava-dumping inserters and the belt highway that goes with it.
Also; you can priority-split that landfill into storage for when you head to Gleba. You're going to need a lot of it to pave over the swamps.