Is it woke like Satisfactory?

[TooHigh2Die]

Got tired of Satisfactory beating my bird brain over the head with it's "agenda". Please tell me this game cuts out the woke and just lets me become capitalist scumlord factory god....

[Fenix]

Originally posted by Puppy Axel! 🐶:

OP is definitely a child. No functioning adult cares or asks about "wokeness"

You’d be wrong there, I care, a little.
But I usually don’t need to ask, videos will surface, and I’ll know not to buy the game…. Hence why I know not to buy Dragonage the Veilguard….
Born in 1976… I’ll let you do the math

[ViolentSweed]

When you try and farm clown awards, and it backfires. lol

[TooHigh2Die]

Originally posted by ViolentSweed:

When you try and farm clown awards, and it backfires. lol

i came for discussion and already gave out 10k points worth of awards to worthy answers... you don't get one though...

[captainamaziiing]

I'm going to go give OP a ton of Steam points for his almost zero effort post that set off an 11 page poopstorm (that I certainly cannot be bothered to read) Just saying 'woke' on election day was effin' brilliant.

Hat's off, TooHigh.

[Rasjel]

Originally posted by TooHigh2Die:

Originally posted by Rasjel:

you play a women. who takes orders from the corpo. ada is there to assist you and it is an ai with a female voice.
heck my navi in my car has a female voice and i dont talk about my car like it is a women... Oo

but I wanna keep my hard earned supplies not donate them to communist overlord

play to the end. you dont donate to a communist overlord.

[TooHigh2Die]

Originally posted by captainamaziiing:

I'm going to go give OP a ton of Steam points for his almost zero effort post that set off an 11 page poopstorm (that I certainly cannot be bothered to read) Just saying 'woke' on election day was effin' brilliant.

Hat's off, TooHigh.

Awarded with wholesome!

[Sahayak]

Satisfactory is far, far from woke. You don't play a non-binary, you play a female (modeled off Rosie the Riveter). ADA being female is because that's the overwhelming majority of AI voices in real life. The game encourages you to pillage the natural resources and avoid harmony with the locals. It celebrates and encourages you to mine everything and build the largest factory possible.

Factorio though is definitely more woke. The game teaches you to minimize pollution and form harmony with the diverse local populations. It penalizes you for expanding your factory and it penalizes you for producing electricity with anything other than solar. The official discord bans anyone who doesn't conform to celebrations of flags on friday posts.

Between the two, it's clear that both have an agenda, but only one of those agendas is woke.

[Quillithe]

Originally posted by Sahayak-db:

Satisfactory is far, far from woke. You don't play a non-binary, you play a female (modeled off Rosie the Riveter). ADA being female is because that's the overwhelming majority of AI voices in real life. The game encourages you to pillage the natural resources and avoid harmony with the locals. It celebrates and encourages you to mine everything and build the largest factory possible.

Factorio though is definitely more woke. The game teaches you to minimize pollution and form harmony with the diverse local populations. It penalizes you for expanding your factory and it penalizes you for producing electricity with anything other than solar. The official discord bans anyone who doesn't conform to celebrations of flags on friday posts.

Between the two, it's clear that both have an agenda, but only one of those agendas is woke.

Factorio is more about free trade too.

Just like the woke globalists want!

[Sebine]

Originally posted by Chris!!:

Your character is awake through the entire game, so yes it's woke.

And being awake is terrible.

[Drizzt]

Originally posted by Hurkyl:

Dialog-wise, my recollection is that Satisfactory has a personal assistant that comments on what you've done and should be doing. Like Subnautica does, although less chatty. And that there was some backstory to the setting and why you are on the planet. I got the impression there was intended to be some mystery to unravel on the planet and overarching story to it, but comments I've seen recently leave me with the impression there isn't such a thing.

Subnautica is very different to its sequel Below Zero in this regard. The PDA in the first game is very artificial and clinical, which makes the humorous things it says more amusing and less exaggerated or overplayed (in my opinion). I think their choice to use a more human voice in the sequel reduced the positive impact of the feature, as well as their decision to cram in more "jokes" that did not land anywhere near as well.

And the rest of the plot of the original was almost entirely through voice logs and text logs - and i think most of the main plot was text logs, with the side plot being told through voice logs. And then various other irrelevant but mostly amusing voice logs. With a silent protagonist who you only ever identify by their shadow.

Whereas the second game has a voiced protagonist and an extensive plot with lots of voice logs and dialogue between the protagonist and Al-an. And it was less charming and amusing on average than the original, and a little more irritating, and less immersive. But the gameplay was excellent, in some ways better than the original. And the progression was very different.

anyway - i won't delve too much farther into it here - since the sheer overwhelming significance of the gameplay over the plot is relevant to another point you made.....

Originally posted by Hurkyl:

Originally posted by Drizzt:

but in most cases games are about gameplay - and often the plot is going to be cheesy and annoying anyway, regardless of whether it uses modern, "inclusive" tropes, or older, more stereotypical tropes

This is something I had meant to reply to but lost when I lost the draft.

This is something that, I think, may have a big impact on our relevant mindsets... because I haven't had this problem. In the past in the things I've played, even when cheesy, I've generally found even excuse plots to be neutral or mildly entertaining, at least. Often they can be fairly amusing.

so following on from my previous point - i agree - it is very hard for a gameplay focused game to put me off with its narrative, or dialogue, or any of that kind of thing

Subnautica Below Zero's narrative and voiced protagonist and PDA etc are all more irritating than the original - even though the content is reasonably well performed and produced

but it barely bothers me - first time through it kind of did - and i played subsequent plays with the sound off, or with the plot disabled - but these days i will often play with the sound on, since you can skip most of the voice logs - and the annoying dialogues are not that frequent

but the gameplay is so good, and separate from the voice lines, that the plot is mostly irrelevant - it is not an RPG with frequent dialogue choices or characters giving quests - it is a survival building game with a narrative to drive the progression and create an end goal

it even barely matters with a game like Fallout 4 - the king of annoying voiced protagonists and hours of dumb dialogue, characters and decisions - but still, the gameplay trumps all

there are other games that are almost entirely dialogue and story - and those will turn much more on people's particular interest or engagement with the narrative

but that is a somewhat specific genre, and the narrative style and people's opinions of it will likely be plastered all over the forums and reviews etc

Originally posted by Hurkyl:

If it was all annoying to you already, then I imagine it doesn't matter too much if the flavor of annoying has changed.

i think the topic of this thread is more that the flavor hasn't changed, they are just announcing the flavor they hate in the most general of ways

and yes - if people hate a particular flavor that is the way it is

but there is a difference in talking in abstracts and being specific about what may be annoying to someone

and either of those things may spark discussion when announced

anyway......

i don't think we disagree about too much - and i think we have deliberately avoided getting too specific about certain things - instead keeping things about the concepts

i think the divide highlighted here is less between those who find a particular aspect of some narrative annoying and those who don't - it is more between whose who are willing to discuss such a topic in good faith and seek to find some understanding of another's position, or explain why they find a particular post to be reductive or bad faith etc - and those who simply revel in divisiveness and polarisation and making those bad faith drama posts and spouting slogans and "gotchas" etc

like the poster who couldn't fully grasp the concept that people could decide to have an adult discussion about the topic of a bait post, or about the motivations of the post, or the language used etc

and that such a discussion had no relevance to a particular country's election - this discussion could have happened on any day at any time in recent years

anyway - i don't think you and i have anything much to argue about

but do let me know if you think there is anything we need to straighten out :-)

[Ketamarine]

Originally posted by Fenix:

How tf is Satisfactory “woke”?
To your knowledge you are set to the planet to exploit to save Earth…. Maybe…

WELL I mean the whole plan is to save the galaxy so obvy leftist BS...

[Hiigara]

What means "woke"

[🎇TYPHOON🎇]

Originally posted by Hiigara:

What means "woke"

It means "everything I don't like" and has absolutely no definition whatsoever.

The word was used in the 1980's in the black U.S. community with the intention to describe people who are aware of racism. But then some Neonazis came along and tried to make it an insult. With all the braindead people using it that way nowadays, they surely succeeded. Hurray Neonazis!

[Halko]

Its honestly depressing that this thread wasnt locked as soon as it was posted and the OP banned. There is no discussion to have here just a bunch of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ screeching about women or minorities existing.

[Arestris]

Originally posted by 🎇TYPHOON🎇:

Originally posted by Hiigara:

What means "woke"

It means "everything I don't like" and has absolutely no definition whatsoever.

The word was used in the 1980's in the black U.S. community with the intention to describe people who are aware of racism. But then some Neonazis came along and tried to make it an insult. With all the braindead people using it that way nowadays, they surely succeeded. Hurray Neonazis!

Uhm ... usually I stay away from troll topics, but to this, this is not entirely true, the term is far older.

The term "woke" was first used in the 1930's and initially meant to be aware of social or political problems. Later on even for awareness of racial injustice.
The meaning as now is a pretty new meaning. The Black Lives Matter movement took up this term in it initially meaning but then extreme right-wing came and start using it to defame anything that doesn't fit in their narrow world view and this is how we end up to today, also showing in this thread.