Holmium ore bottleneck

[Falesz]

Hey all,
I've spent all day on Fulgora to make a working factory that would supply Nauvis with Electromagnetic science packs.
I think it should work pretty well by now, except for the Holmium ore bottleneck. I went back to Fulgora to add Scrap mining outposts and Scrap recycling facilities in my factory like 3 times now, but that 1% Holmium ore drop is just way too low. Am I missing something? Is there something that can be done besides just brute force spamming Scrap recyclers?

[tilemon]

there are coral looking trees scattered around on some islands, they only drop the new ore. you get get over hundred per patch. so I would go out to different islands looking for the coral every once in a while.

[POPDOG3]

Treat everything that comes out of the scrap recyclers that is not holmium or something you want to use in production locally as a byproduct to either be launched to other planets to help their production, or thrown on overflow lanes and recycled down to nothing.
Research the scrap productivity and add more lanes of recycling until you reach a comfortable level of holmium production and push that feeling of throwing away resources to the back of your mind.

[Rasjel]

Originally posted by POPDOG3:

Treat everything that comes out of the scrap recyclers that is not holmium or something you want to use in production locally as a byproduct to either be launched to other planets to help their production, or thrown on overflow lanes and recycled down to nothing.
Research the scrap productivity and add more lanes of recycling until you reach a comfortable level of holmium production and push that feeling of throwing away resources to the back of your mind.

oh no.
i just startet on fulgora and i hate it to waste stuff.
is there realy no other way?

[Lumpous]

Originally posted by Rasjel:

Originally posted by POPDOG3:

Treat everything that comes out of the scrap recyclers that is not holmium or something you want to use in production locally as a byproduct to either be launched to other planets to help their production, or thrown on overflow lanes and recycled down to nothing.
Research the scrap productivity and add more lanes of recycling until you reach a comfortable level of holmium production and push that feeling of throwing away resources to the back of your mind.

oh no.
i just startet on fulgora and i hate it to waste stuff.
is there realy no other way?

A giant storage and continously traveling ships to haul the ecxess stuff to other plantes.

[Quillithe]

Originally posted by Rasjel:

Originally posted by POPDOG3:

Treat everything that comes out of the scrap recyclers that is not holmium or something you want to use in production locally as a byproduct to either be launched to other planets to help their production, or thrown on overflow lanes and recycled down to nothing.
Research the scrap productivity and add more lanes of recycling until you reach a comfortable level of holmium production and push that feeling of throwing away resources to the back of your mind.

oh no.
i just startet on fulgora and i hate it to waste stuff.
is there realy no other way?

Not really, if nothing else you're going to get more stone and solid fuel than you can probably ever use there. And enough concrete to pave everything.

And neither is really worth the hassle to export by space either. I guess you can export landfill and rocket fuel but it's not like stone is hard to get anyway.

[POPDOG3]

Originally posted by Rasjel:

Originally posted by POPDOG3:

Treat everything that comes out of the scrap recyclers that is not holmium or something you want to use in production locally as a byproduct to either be launched to other planets to help their production, or thrown on overflow lanes and recycled down to nothing.
Research the scrap productivity and add more lanes of recycling until you reach a comfortable level of holmium production and push that feeling of throwing away resources to the back of your mind.

oh no.
i just startet on fulgora and i hate it to waste stuff.
is there realy no other way?

You can eliminate a lot of the wasted products with planning but there is always going to be some that needs to be destroyed to keep production from deadlocking make sure you plan overflow lanes to destroy excess resources for basically everything but holmium first or you will have to come back to your factory to fix deadlocks when the buffers fill up.

If you setup a splits with priority to the area you will actually use resources in and other side towards a destruction loop close to where you take the resources off the recycling lane it will only destroy resources when it fully backs up to that point.
Once you have a lane that is set to the side to destroy resources if it backs up you can worry about planning how to use the resources so they dont need to be destroyed.

I hate wasting stuff too but if you dont plan the overflows in it will deadlock when you are not looking eventually and you will have to fix it 10 times like i had to because i didint plan overflows into the design from the start and only noticed the problems when the factory had been running long enough to fill the buffers i had setup.

[Das Trojanische Pferd]

Originally posted by Rasjel:

Originally posted by POPDOG3:

Treat everything that comes out of the scrap recyclers that is not holmium or something you want to use in production locally as a byproduct to either be launched to other planets to help their production, or thrown on overflow lanes and recycled down to nothing.
Research the scrap productivity and add more lanes of recycling until you reach a comfortable level of holmium production and push that feeling of throwing away resources to the back of your mind.

oh no.
i just startet on fulgora and i hate it to waste stuff.
is there realy no other way?

jea me and a friend where also stuck the biggest thing you can do on fulgora is make a massive sorting where most of the ressources just get recycled until there is nothing left.....

[Siu Mai]

one thing I'm not getting - how are people recycling stuff until there's nothing? I'm looking at automated ways to burn things but as far as I know, recycling iron and copper plates just spits it back out.

[Avloren]

Recycling only has a 25% chance to get you the ingredients back. So there's less of it every time you recycle - you start with 16 iron plates, recycle them into (on average) 4 plates, feed those 4 back into the recycler to get back 1, recycle that 1 into (probably) 0.

The unwanted products can be put back onto the belts to eventually loop back around and be recycled again, or you can skip ahead a bit and just point the outputs of two recyclers towards each other. Anything you put into them will be looped back and forth between the two until it's gone.

[Quillithe]

Originally posted by Avloren:

Recycling only has a 25% chance to get you the ingredients back. So there's less of it every time you recycle - you start with 16 iron plates, recycle them into (on average) 4 plates, feed those 4 back into the recycler to get back 1, recycle that 1 into (probably) 0.

The unwanted products can be put back onto the belts to eventually loop back around and be recycled again, or you can skip ahead a bit and just point the outputs of two recyclers towards each other. Anything you put into them will be looped back and forth between the two until it's gone.

As a note if you point two recyclers at each other don't feed them the full mixed stream or they'll jam up.

Personally I have a mix - things with parts I might want (circuits, low density materials) get their overflow fed into the recycling loop and things that recycle into worthless junk (honestly pretty much everything else) just get destroyed by paired recyclers if they overflow.

[Jumboman]

I had the same problem, until I inserted 5 mk2 productivity modules in all buildings that use holmium. Now I have an extra chest full of the stuff.

[Professor H. Farnsworth]

Originally posted by Jumboman:

I had the same problem, until I inserted 5 mk2 productivity modules in all buildings that use holmium. Now I have an extra chest full of the stuff.

Hahahaha... Yeah.. No.

3 + 2 (Quality + Production) or 2 + 2 (Quality + Production) in.. everything that'll have it.

Watch as the real Fulgora bottleneck is quality Holmium.

[[TAG]Alblaka]

Originally posted by Jumboman:

I had the same problem, until I inserted 5 mk2 productivity modules in all buildings that use holmium. Now I have an extra chest full of the stuff.

Oh, good reminder. I'm really not a modules guy (and only now started throwing some quality modules about on Nauvis), so it didn't even occur to me that the insane throughput, but lack of inputs (Holmium Ore) makes a perfect use case for productivity modules.

Kudos!

[Nico]

Originally posted by TAGAlblaka:

Originally posted by Jumboman:

I had the same problem, until I inserted 5 mk2 productivity modules in all buildings that use holmium. Now I have an extra chest full of the stuff.

Oh, good reminder. I'm really not a modules guy (and only now started throwing some quality modules about on Nauvis), so it didn't even occur to me that the insane throughput, but lack of inputs (Holmium Ore) makes a perfect use case for productivity modules.

Kudos!

Don't forget that the Foundry can also be used to make holmium plates, that's another free 50% productivity

[Kratt]

Originally posted by Siu Mai:

one thing I'm not getting - how are people recycling stuff until there's nothing? I'm looking at automated ways to burn things but as far as I know, recycling iron and copper plates just spits it back out.

Id like to know this as well