Mouse cursor aim is impossible

[john.r.moser]

Yeah try riding around the car firing your machine gun wihle also aiming with the mouse cursor. Turn left and move mouse right…oops, turned right instead.

Just auto-target the nearest hostile. Seriously this is the worst control scheme.

No amount of Google fu has found anything to switch to auto aiming.

[PunCrathod]

Did you post on the right forums? Because in factorio the car turns left if you press A and turns right if you press D. What the mouse is doing has no relation to where the car turns. And the machine gun aims to the hostile nearest to the mouse cursor.

[Shurenai]

Originally posted by PunCrathod:

Did you post on the right forums? Because in factorio the car turns left if you press A and turns right if you press D. What the mouse is doing has no relation to where the car turns. And the machine gun aims to the hostile nearest to the mouse cursor.

Seeing as he doesnt own the game, yeah, pretty likely.... Tbh it sounds like he's describing a borderlands game's car control scheme, which yeah kinda sucks and performs exactly as he describes lol, mouse control steering but also mouse control aiming, so if you aim left/right at speed you turn left/right.

[dragonsphotoworks]

Cant see his game list.. was going to see last played. As would give idea which game he meant but it wont show.

But ya that is not how factorio works. Or I would be SOL as well lol

[puschit]

Krastorio has mouse aiming but it still doesn't affect driving with WASD.

[john.r.moser]

Originally posted by PunCrathod:

Did you post on the right forums? Because in factorio the car turns left if you press A and turns right if you press D. What the mouse is doing has no relation to where the car turns. And the machine gun aims to the hostile nearest to the mouse cursor.

The car turns left from its perspective, it doesn't run left on the screen when you hit left. If you hold left nothing happens; if you hold left and up, it goes in a circle. You're translating between what directions you're pushing and what the car is doing.

The problem with aiming toward the cursor is if I drive around a nest in a circle with the mouse cursor at the top of the screen, it only shoots when I'm below the nest, and doesn't shoot while I'm above it. I need to be in the right location for the mouse cursor to be on something to shoot, or I need to think about the direction I want the car to go, the direction I need to push to make the car go that direction, and the direction I want to move the mouse, at the same time, which is really hard to do.

It needs straight up auto target. There have been so many times I've been on foot and have wondered why my gun won't fire too, because the mouse aim thing is so unintuitive. Humans have four limbs, not six.

[Hurkyl]

For what it's worth, I've found strafing nests in the car to be a more effective if you're not going full speed -- e.g. it lets you focus more shots on a few individual nests rather than spreading the damage around. As a bonus, moving just to keep ahead of the enemies gives you more time to react. (assuming all of your concentration isn't tied up in pacing your driving)

[Hurkyl]

Originally posted by john.r.moser:

It needs straight up auto target.

That would actually be awful. You'd waste most of your shots on the biters and not do any damage to the nests.

And you really don't want the gun to prioritize nests, because how would you defend yourself when you're actually getting run down and surrounded by the bugs?

[Khaylain]

Originally posted by john.r.moser:

Originally posted by PunCrathod:

Did you post on the right forums? Because in factorio the car turns left if you press A and turns right if you press D. What the mouse is doing has no relation to where the car turns. And the machine gun aims to the hostile nearest to the mouse cursor.

The car turns left from its perspective, it doesn't run left on the screen when you hit left. If you hold left nothing happens; if you hold left and up, it goes in a circle. You're translating between what directions you're pushing and what the car is doing.

The problem with aiming toward the cursor is if I drive around a nest in a circle with the mouse cursor at the top of the screen, it only shoots when I'm below the nest, and doesn't shoot while I'm above it. I need to be in the right location for the mouse cursor to be on something to shoot, or I need to think about the direction I want the car to go, the direction I need to push to make the car go that direction, and the direction I want to move the mouse, at the same time, which is really hard to do.

It needs straight up auto target. There have been so many times I've been on foot and have wondered why my gun won't fire too, because the mouse aim thing is so unintuitive. Humans have four limbs, not six.

Sounds like it's just good training for your brain.
Personally I find the mouse aim to be fairly intuitive. You aim generally in the direction you have your mouse in relation to the character. Would be much less intuitive if you aimed in the opposite direction from where you point your cursor.

[kremlin]

Originally posted by john.r.moser:

Originally posted by PunCrathod:

Did you post on the right forums? Because in factorio the car turns left if you press A and turns right if you press D. What the mouse is doing has no relation to where the car turns. And the machine gun aims to the hostile nearest to the mouse cursor.

The car turns left from its perspective, it doesn't run left on the screen when you hit left. If you hold left nothing happens; if you hold left and up, it goes in a circle. You're translating between what directions you're pushing and what the car is doing.

The problem with aiming toward the cursor is if I drive around a nest in a circle with the mouse cursor at the top of the screen, it only shoots when I'm below the nest, and doesn't shoot while I'm above it. I need to be in the right location for the mouse cursor to be on something to shoot, or I need to think about the direction I want the car to go, the direction I need to push to make the car go that direction, and the direction I want to move the mouse, at the same time, which is really hard to do.

It needs straight up auto target. There have been so many times I've been on foot and have wondered why my gun won't fire too, because the mouse aim thing is so unintuitive. Humans have four limbs, not six.

Don't hit the nests with bullets, throw grenades at them, fire rockets at them, they soak bullets and get a big chunk of damage taken out by the explosives. The game gives you the tools to make it easier but you have to use them. Drop a few turrets nearby to soak the bugs but don't get caught in the trap of creeping the turrets forward. Draw a swarm to the turrets, double back and toss grenades at the spawners.

They'll start melting in no time.

[Shurenai]

Originally posted by john.r.moser:

Originally posted by PunCrathod:

Did you post on the right forums? Because in factorio the car turns left if you press A and turns right if you press D. What the mouse is doing has no relation to where the car turns. And the machine gun aims to the hostile nearest to the mouse cursor.

The car turns left from its perspective, it doesn't run left on the screen when you hit left. If you hold left nothing happens; if you hold left and up, it goes in a circle. You're translating between what directions you're pushing and what the car is doing.

The problem with aiming toward the cursor is if I drive around a nest in a circle with the mouse cursor at the top of the screen, it only shoots when I'm below the nest, and doesn't shoot while I'm above it. I need to be in the right location for the mouse cursor to be on something to shoot, or I need to think about the direction I want the car to go, the direction I need to push to make the car go that direction, and the direction I want to move the mouse, at the same time, which is really hard to do.

It needs straight up auto target. There have been so many times I've been on foot and have wondered why my gun won't fire too, because the mouse aim thing is so unintuitive. Humans have four limbs, not six.

Humans have four limbs not six, But you only need one limb and three fingers to pilot the car- Two fingers to control WASD, one to press the fire button, and one limb to move the mouse around. Seeing as your legs are entirely uninvolved in the process there's a whole lot of 'control limb articulation' cpu power sitting there doing nothing- Learn to use it.

That said, Were you aware there are actually two separate fire buttons? One targets tightly to the cursor position, the other has a much broader reach and will auto-swap between targets as needed, think they're C and Space by default?

[cswiger]

The OP needs to hunt down a copy of Robotron 2084. There is no better practice for "moving and shooting at the same time". Factorio will seem easy by comparison.

[shadain597]

Originally posted by john.r.moser:

The car turns left from its perspective, it doesn't run left on the screen when you hit left. If you hold left nothing happens; if you hold left and up, it goes in a circle. You're translating between what directions you're pushing and what the car is doing.

Admittedly, driving the car takes some getting used to. That said, it's not entirely unlike driving an actual car. If you want to go forward, press the accelerator/gas pedal. Turn the vehicle left, relative to where the front end is pointing? Turn the steering wheel left. But turning the wheel while the vehicle is stationary does nothing. For what it's worth, IIRC the tank does allow you to turn without moving forward or backwards.

Originally posted by john.r.moser:

It needs straight up auto target. There have been so many times I've been on foot and have wondered why my gun won't fire too, because the mouse aim thing is so unintuitive. Humans have four limbs, not six.

It is auto-target. Whatever is nearest to your cursor is what gets shot. Driving can be a little awkward, but I honestly don't know how shooting could be any easier without some major drawback, like having zero choice of when it fires or what it prioritizes.

That said, I don't really use the car itself for fighting biter bases. Around the same time the car is available, you can also get poison capsules and defender bots. Zip in, drop some poison on the worms in the base, get out while they die. Having a few turrets nearby that you can retreat to isn't a bad idea. Once the worms are dead, go back with a few defender bots and clean up. I generally do that part on foot, letting the bots do the shooting and instead focus on moving the character. The poison capsules don't hurt nests or players in vehicles, but they will hurt you if you are on foot. Still, if it's a fairly large base a well-aimed poison capsule (or 2) could shut down part of the base while you clear out the rest.

[malogoss]

Are you hitting C or spacebar to fire? What?

[Cerodil]

Originally posted by john.r.moser:

It needs straight up auto target. There have been so many times I've been on foot and have wondered why my gun won't fire too, because the mouse aim thing is so unintuitive. Humans have four limbs, not six.

I don't understand this argument, are you trying to play the game on a twister pad? If you are actually playing with four limbs then I can only applaud your efficiency and wonder if you're that efficient with your limb usage your factories must be on a whole other level from mine.

One hand on the keyboard and one on the mouse after that it's aim and not driving into rocks/trees/biters/trees/your structures/trees/random tiny water patches/trees/your friends and trees, should be simple.

[shadain597]

Originally posted by Cerodil:

and one on the mouse after that it's aim and not driving into rocks/trees/biters/trees/your structures/trees/random tiny water patches/trees/your friends and trees, should be simple.

Yeah, super simple! It's crazy to imagine someone running into a rock with a whole biter train behind them. Nobody has ever done that before. Not the people I've played with and definitely not me. No sir, I refuse to use the car in combat for completely unrelated reasons--reasons that have nothing to do with collisions. None whatsoever. I did not collide with that rock, and any rumors of the sort are greatly exaggerated!