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Kypamop Oct 1, 2023 @ 3:29am
2.0 release date?
I didn't play for a year and a half, and want to start a new game for 1-2 months, but I'm really hyped about Factorio 2.0 and do not want to start on an old game version.
Anybody knows when 2.0 is going to be released?
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pat Oct 1, 2023 @ 3:41am 
They're guestimating Aug '24. Start a new game.
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At least a year away.
Chindraba Oct 1, 2023 @ 3:59am 
Depending on you play speed, the goals of your games, and the amount of game time you have relative to the rest of your days and weeks, you should have time to finish at least a couple new games and maybe as much as 4 dozen. Don't let the "eventual" release get in the way of having more fun.
johnburt3rd Oct 2, 2023 @ 10:08am 
Came to ask OP's question. August of next year is more than enough time to make zero progress in SE+K2 due to "Factorio Progression Paralysis," as coined by Dosh Doshington.
Kypamop Oct 4, 2023 @ 2:05pm 
Originally posted by johnburt3rd:
Came to ask OP's question. August of next year is more than enough time to make zero progress in SE+K2 due to "Factorio Progression Paralysis," as coined by Dosh Doshington.

I do not understand such development strategy. You tell players that you have already implemented some really nice features, but you are not going to allow them to use it for a year because you want to do more. That would be ok if they talked of a month or two, but not about a year.
So it was just a teaser.

Tbh after the info about 1 year to wait, I somehow do not want to play Factorio anymore. Didn't even start new save.
Shurenai Oct 4, 2023 @ 2:23pm 
Originally posted by Kypamop:
Originally posted by johnburt3rd:
Came to ask OP's question. August of next year is more than enough time to make zero progress in SE+K2 due to "Factorio Progression Paralysis," as coined by Dosh Doshington.

I do not understand such development strategy. You tell players that you have already implemented some really nice features, but you are not going to allow them to use it for a year because you want to do more. That would be ok if they talked of a month or two, but not about a year.
So it was just a teaser.

Tbh after the info about 1 year to wait, I somehow do not want to play Factorio anymore. Didn't even start new save.
And people wonder why more dev teams don't communicate their progress....

1.0 is done. The base vanilla game is Done. It's complete; It's not awaiting additional modification, the devs are under no obligation or expectation to release additional updates.

2.0 is the expansion that we'll have to pay for, and the devs are being kind enough to modify the vanilla game for the better of all so that it can support their expansion, and owners of the vanilla game will get those benefits even if they don't purchase the expansion- But, we don't get those changes until the expansion is officially released. The whole reason those improvements are being made is in support of their coming product and it's not the kind of thing you can just ship out part and parcel because of impatient people.
Chindraba Oct 4, 2023 @ 3:02pm 
Originally posted by Kypamop:
I do not understand such development strategy. You tell players that you have already implemented some really nice features, but you are not going to allow them to use it for a year because you want to do more. That would be ok if they talked of a month or two, but not about a year.
So it was just a teaser.

Tbh after the info about 1 year to wait, I somehow do not want to play Factorio anymore. Didn't even start new save.

I ain't the one to tell you that your feelings are wrong. I cannot say that I do, or that I do not, understand the development strategy, myself. I am supposing that you mean marketing rather than the programming of it, with "development."

I'd suspect that part of the strategy is to let the current users know that there has been progress, and things are getting close. It has been anticipated for much longer, yet the only information available has been "we're working on it."

Such a strategy is not uncommon in gaming, or to be candid in any software product. As an example, in 2016 CD Projekt Red began development on Cyberpunk 2077. There are trailers available on YouTube from as early as 2018 and the game wasn't set to be released until 2020. That's a planned 2 year lead from content teaser to release. (That there were technical issues delaying the release wasn't part of the strategy, they only made things worse.)

I don't find it strange that after a few years of development they begin sharing some of the work, and new features, with their players a year prior to the planned release. This time also allows mod creators to begin thinking of what they might want to do with the new things, or if they even want to make a mod for the new game, or just continue supporting their existing mods for the base game.

As an extra point to consider, Wube has been known to take feedback from their players, and mod creators, and change things in the game. The information so far seems to be well received. Possibly the quality thing might be less stellar than elevated rails, but it still has many players making plans already. The devs have even suggested that, if a better set of names for quality are presented, they might change them. Without early release of information and content descriptions such a possibility wouldn't even exist.

Unlike your reaction to the delay, mine is the reverse. I'm wanting to finish a few of my projects before the new system is released. Especially my attempt at the All Achievement run. I want to be able to say I finished it under the old rules, (which are probably harder than the new ones will be.)

There are others who have decided not to start any new games, maybe even not finish current games, until 2.0 drops. Others have decided they've had enough and want to find something else. There are also folks who know they won't be able to afford the xpac, so none of this means anything to them and they just keep playing the base game and ignore all the noise around them about the new fancies in the xpac.

If you don't want to play Factorio until the xpac drops, and still want some game which is like it, Satisfactory and Dyson Sphere Project have been mentioned in many threads. Both seem to be somewhat like Factorio while also being different in some respects. Recently I've also heard of Evospace, which a long-time Factorio player has called Factorio in 3D. One phrase he uses is that it scratches the same itch that Factorio does.

No matter what your decision, I hope you did enjoy the game when you played it, and that you will enjoy the next game, and the one after that. Even if you never launch Factorio, in any of it's possible future versions, I do hope that you find what you enjoy and enjoy what you find.
Drizzt Oct 4, 2023 @ 3:19pm 
Originally posted by Shurenai:
Originally posted by Kypamop:

I do not understand such development strategy. You tell players that you have already implemented some really nice features, but you are not going to allow them to use it for a year because you want to do more. That would be ok if they talked of a month or two, but not about a year.
So it was just a teaser.

Tbh after the info about 1 year to wait, I somehow do not want to play Factorio anymore. Didn't even start new save.
And people wonder why more dev teams don't communicate their progress....

1.0 is done. The base vanilla game is Done. It's complete; It's not awaiting additional modification, the devs are under no obligation or expectation to release additional updates.

2.0 is the expansion that we'll have to pay for, and the devs are being kind enough to modify the vanilla game for the better of all so that it can support their expansion, and owners of the vanilla game will get those benefits even if they don't purchase the expansion- But, we don't get those changes until the expansion is officially released. The whole reason those improvements are being made is in support of their coming product and it's not the kind of thing you can just ship out part and parcel because of impatient people.
the OP could not have got all excited about the new features 1-2 months ago - since Wube only started blogging about the new features a month ago, following the official Expansion announcement 1 week before

and if they had read any of the blogs about the new features or seen any of the forum posts about them (and they posted on the forum in late September when it was all abuzz with Expansion talk), then they would have seen the schedule mentioned over and over again

i initially took the OP's thread post at face value without wondering how they could be hyped for Factorio 2.0 (a phrase that only really started being used within the last month), but have no idea about when it was expected

but after their ridiculous follow up take, i am moving to the less charitable position of assuming they just wanted to post some self righteous bilious drivel and so asked a question to which they knew the answer so that they could post their entitled nonsense when someone gave them the answer they already knew

they even phrased their post like they cared about having enough time to have a proper game of the current version before the new version arrived

and i am actually saddened that they will receive the Factorio 2.0 update for free when it is released

because they really don't deserve it

i think they should delete Factorio from their account since they have been so wounded by the devs and their decision to do exactly what they said they would do and share details of the Expansion once they had a reasonably firm schedule and development was getting to a mature state

seriously - what a bunch of entitled garbage

yes - i have lost all patience with the endless and interchangeable stream of entitled brats and trolls who darken these hallways with their miserable BS

throw them to the EAs, Activisions and Take Two Interactives of the industry - who clearly share their contempt for high quality, consumer friendly, information laden developments of games which employ no predatory tactics and incorporate no unethical components

all of you - delete the game from your library - you are correct - you have been tricked - purge the evil from your hard drives and Steam accounts - and go back to the warm embrace of your corporate pushers

do it - you will be happier that way - and won't have to deal with the unbearable wait for a free upgrade to a completed game you already bought from a developer you apparently despise since you feel the need to insult them for deciding to share the details of that upcoming upgrade once they have a presumably relatively firm release schedule and feature list

do it - delete it from your account - purge the evil

and then we can all breathe a sigh of relief as we go our separate ways

Originally posted by Shurenai:
And people wonder why more dev teams don't communicate their progress....
couldn't have put it better (or more succinctly) myself (as i proved)
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Drizzt Oct 4, 2023 @ 3:23pm 
Originally posted by Chindraba:
Recently I've also heard of Evospace, which a long-time Factorio player has called Factorio in 3D. One phrase he uses is that it scratches the same itch that Factorio does.
no - don't tell them about it - they clearly hate fun and good things and happiness

Originally posted by Chindraba:
No matter what your decision, I hope you did enjoy the game when you played it, and that you will enjoy the next game, and the one after that. Even if you never launch Factorio, in any of it's possible future versions, I do hope that you find what you enjoy and enjoy what you find.
i don't - but then i'm not as nice and charitable in my interpretation of their motivations as you ;-)
Chindraba Oct 4, 2023 @ 4:18pm 
Originally posted by Drizzt:
but then i'm not as nice and charitable in my interpretation of their motivations as you ;-)

'Tis neither charity nor grace. Merely exposure.

I hang out in the Discord servers where I have been involved in discussion, at length, with players possessing in excess of 1K hours. The latest FFF is, naturally, a prime topic on Friday and Saturday. I have not counted, yet I'm sure one hand of fingers wouldn't suffice to do so, the number of times someone, after 30 or more minutes of discussion about the FFF will ask when it is going to be released. It happens often enough that the server has a nice emote handy for just such an occasion. Imagine, in red letters, on three lines:

When it's done

Less abrasive, and less informative, is the emote:

SOON™

I am not sure if it's myopia over the new stuff, or insufficient attention to details, or some other cause. I just know that it is common. Until proven otherwise it's just safer to presume that somehow that one detail was missed.
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Drizzt Oct 4, 2023 @ 4:50pm 
Originally posted by Chindraba:
Originally posted by Drizzt:
but then i'm not as nice and charitable in my interpretation of their motivations as you ;-)

'Tis neither charity nor grace. Merely exposure.

I hang out in the Discord servers where I have been involved in discussion, at length, with players possessing in excess of 1K hours. The latest FFF is, naturally, a prime topic on Friday and Saturday. I have not counted, yet I'm sure one hand of fingers wouldn't suffice to do so, the number of times someone, after 30 or more minutes of discussion about the FFF will ask when it is going to be released. It happens often enough that the server has a nice emote handy for just such an occasion. Imagine, in red letters, on three lines:

When it's done

Less abrasive, and less informative, is the emote:

SOON™

I am not sure if it's myopia over the new stuff, or insufficient attention to details, or some other cause. I just know that it is common. Until proven otherwise it's just safer to presume that somehow that one detail was missed.
that is shocking - but i would still guess that plenty of those people are deliberately trolling - just because they like Factorio enough to have played it for 1000+ hours and go on the Discord - that does not prevent them from being a twisted troll trying to start some drama

like i said - i was willing to accept the face value of the OP's original post

but the tone of the follow up was so mean spirited that i could only class it as the intended outcome of a deliberate troll post - or evidence of a stupefying lack of respect for the devs who had made a game that they apparently enjoyed so much that wanted to play it again, but held off because they were excited for the free update that they were going to be gifted by these devs - but because of their own inability to discover information that was freely available (and oft discussed and repeated) they instead decided to throw some disrespectful bile at the devs and their ignorant take on what the feature reveals and release timeline signify

and then get all grandiose in declaring that they no longer want to play the game anymore

like i said - they should delete the game from their account

because it would be sad if they changed their mind and actually get to play all the new content that they would otherwise be getting for free

because rude entitled ingrates don't deserve to get nice things from the people they made the conscious choice to disrespect

even if the reason for their decision was their own ignorance and inability to discover information

they still chose to translate that into unnecessarily disrespectful statements

they could have just said "oh that's a shame - i kind of don't feel like playing anymore coz i'm so excited for the new stuff"

i am sure some other people may feel that way, or at least empathise

but that doesn't justify slinging mud at the people that made the great game in the first place - and who decided to share these cool new features, some of which they would be giving away for free - once they had a reasonably firm release schedule - and which they had clarified they would not be revealing till that point - and as soon as they did they clarified the timeline

but anyway

i guess the tone caused my gears to grind

possibly the internet has broken me :-)
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Chindraba Oct 4, 2023 @ 5:04pm 
The discord "moments" are, near as I can tell, legit. Once someone points them to the FFFs or actually gives an answer, the answer stands and the discussion continues. The trolls which surface there take a different tack than here, and last as long as any troll should.
Drizzt Oct 4, 2023 @ 5:09pm 
Originally posted by Chindraba:
The discord "moments" are, near as I can tell, legit. Once someone points them to the FFFs or actually gives an answer, the answer stands and the discussion continues. The trolls which surface there take a different tack than here, and last as long as any troll should.
definitely some irony that Discord breeds more harmony...... ;-)
Kypamop Oct 4, 2023 @ 11:40pm 
Ha! I became a 'criminal' in one post.

Just told that I lost motivation to play Factorio after news about 1 year delay. I don't feel motivated to launch it.
It's not about whining and not about money (laughable argument). I don't care if I need to pay for these features to use them right now. Just make a smaller expansion and take my money lol.
That's just how it is.
Galileus Oct 4, 2023 @ 11:48pm 
"Wanna, gimme!" is not an argument you should use next to "their dev strategy is wrong!" if you do not want to come across as whiny.
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