I Will Never Buy Your Game Because Of This Latest Anti-Consumer Price Choice

[𒐪⎝ Epylector ⎠𒐪]

You have one of the most successfully profitable indie games on Steam of all time, this is Scrooge-tier greed hiding behind the "I'm an Indie game" excuse.

Price gouging is unethical.

Locking a 1000+ thread critical of your anti-discount ideology is unethical.

Promoting a market ideology that would increase all prices and eliminate discounts we rely on to afford games and make PC a persuasive platform affordability-wise for gaming, is unethical.

The relatively same digital good should decrease in price over time due to its ideas and codes becoming older and less unique over time. This increase only appeals to fanboys and the gullible -anyone with a basic sense of market ethics should realize this is wrong. The most successfully profitable indie game on Steam of all time that faces no server upkeep costs just jacked up its price instead of adjusting over time and fanboys ate this greedy decision up yet again. And the devs plan to never do discounts. And the devs plan to release a DLC of similar cost to the base game.

It is clear you will never listen.

Owning this game would devalue my collection due to tainting its own reputation with anti-consumer unethical market moves. Playing this game would leave a taste of ash in my mouth and owning this game would make me flat out look bad by association.

I will never buy your game.

[MikuSama]

引用自 Chindraba：

引用自 Verfolgen：

Is this a peasant joke I'm too rich to understand?

Depends on how bright you are, not how rich you are. Granted, there does often seem to be an inverse correlation between the two. If you're able to understand how the other 99% survives, then you ought to understand it. And see the "thinking" it obscures.

Pretty much figure that if your monthly income falls outside the area of a circle with your IQ as the diameter, you're probably too rich to understand.

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[Chindraba]

Glad I don't do meme's much. Life seems more engaging without them. A bit like television, wasted bandwidth.

[𒐪⎝ Epylector ⎠𒐪]

引用自 BOT：

Would you like me to buy you a copy? Or would you keep complaining?

I believe you, but they already ruined the game's symbolic value through their unethical marketing choices, meaning it would devalue the collection of anyone who obtains it. I thus would not touch it.

[MikuSama]

引用自 Chindraba：

Glad I don't do meme's much. Life seems more engaging without them. A bit like television, wasted bandwidth.

In an old-timey radio voice
And remember kids, make sure you go outside and enjoy life otherwise you might end up on the internet sending overly written clever-for-clever's sake messages. That's all for now, tune in next time where we look at what happens when a man goes 40 years without ever loosing his virginity.

[Chindraba]

引用自 MikuSama：

引用自 Chindraba：

Glad I don't do meme's much. Life seems more engaging without them. A bit like television, wasted bandwidth.

In an old-timey radio voice
And remember kids, make sure you go outside and enjoy life otherwise you might end up on the internet sending overly written clever-for-clever's sake messages. That's all for now, tune in next time where we look at what happens when a man goes 40 years without ever loosing his virginity.

I hope none of my sons reach that point Well, for a couple it's already too late anyway, they're already paying child support.

Of course, television is rather the opposite of life anyway. Now if I could only think of something clever to say about a homebody spending too much time on the Internet.

[Retroficient]

"Community Patron" - I beg to differ.

Also, I agree with you 100%. You owning this game would devalue something. But it's not your collection. Having you as an owner of this game would devalue the game itself. No need for your trash attitude to taint such perfection.

[schnappkatze]

引用自 𒐪⎝ Epylector ⎠𒐪：

引用自 BOT：

Would you like me to buy you a copy? Or would you keep complaining?

I believe you, but they already ruined the game's symbolic value through their unethical marketing choices, meaning it would devalue the collection of anyone who obtains it. I thus would not touch it.

What amazes me: You do not want to play this game. You do not want to own this game. You don't even like the game or the developer. But it seems to live rent-free in your head and for more than 2 weeks you keep on deciding to spend your time posting about a game you wouldn't even want if it were given to you for free.

[Shurenai]

引用自 schnappkatze：

引用自 𒐪⎝ Epylector ⎠𒐪：

I believe you, but they already ruined the game's symbolic value through their unethical marketing choices, meaning it would devalue the collection of anyone who obtains it. I thus would not touch it.

What amazes me: You do not want to play this game. You do not want to own this game. You don't even like the game or the developer. But it seems to live rent-free in your head and for more than 2 weeks you keep on deciding to spend your time posting about a game you wouldn't even want if it were given to you for free.

I'd just like to restate that the OP has 637 games- Up from 629 when I wrote down the following stats:
1 game at 525 hours played- And it's a free to play game, Team Fortress 2.
1 game at 235 hours played- The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
18 games at 10.1-64 hours played.
26 games at 2.1-10 hours played.
53 games at 0.1-2 hours played.
And
530(now 538) games that he has zero recorded hours in, and 976 owned DLC. And has been on steam since June 16, 2012.

Further, I made an offhand comment in the same post

引用自 Shurenai：

I'm betting, but cannot prove, that you've never even Installed most of them.

You probably don't even remember you have most of them.

To which the OP responded:

引用自 𒐪⎝ Epylector ⎠𒐪：

I have installed 99% of the games I own.

Edit: Would also note most of the games I own barring a few I hid from my library for technical readons, have custom cover art. About a sixth of all my games have animated covers and some also have custom banners and logos. Many have custom art for their shortcuts too. Much of my covers and icons are custom created by me too.

I keep a very refined collection and am careful to remove and avoid bad games. The only true exception is Muse Dash which I made a special custom cover for that states Taiwan Is A Country with its great mainland of Taiwan on the cover.

So, essentially, the OP has basically zero interest in actually playing most of his 'carefully curated collection'(but has installed 99% of them..?). He doesn't buy games to play them; He approaches the hobby almost entirely as a collector. Which, yknow, More power to him.


But the reason I bring it up again, is that it amuses me that he owns numerous other titles with much more egregious transgressions and yet his post history doesn't show any sign of complaining about any of them with the same vehemence and persistence he has here in this recent deluge of 'controversy' and his own 'No Sales Policy is Amoral' thread from last year. Not a single title in his steam library has recieved the same absurd stonewalling. Only this title that he doesn't even own.

The closest is a thread he made calling Omori overpriced- Yet he owns Omori, the thread reached 8 pages and after being locked he didn't make a new one complaining about it.

And a couple other 'overpriced' comments for other games he also owns, even outright denouncing a game he owns and 100%ed as 'not worth the price'.. but nothing like the energy he's put in here. (Doki Doki Literature Club Plus! At least it was a game he put enough time into to actually make such a claim. DDLC+ is also the only title he owns that he has an appreciable number of posts on it's forum)


Further, The guy views even a bare minimum 10% sale as the developer 'respecting' him and buy games that go on them but that do not otherwise go on sale for greater discounts.. Meanwhile I think most other gamers would consider a bare minimum 10% sale to be an insult. I know I do- It's greedy AF to do the absolute minimum, if you're going to have a sale make the discount juicy.


TL;DR: I think that, straight up, the way the OP approaches the gaming landscape is from a direction so completely foreign to most of us that this entire thread is moot- He is functionally, from our perspectives, a troll, and we to him, are a pack of trolls; There is no common ground to be had on this subject because the way he approaches the gaming landscape is so completely and radically different to the way 99.99% of typical gamers approach games. What he values in a game is completely and totally removed from what everyone else in this thread values in gaming.

IMO this thread needs to end with a plain and simple agree to disagree, Because we're never going to convince OP, and OP is never going to convince us.

[Khaylain]

I believe you, but they already ruined the game's symbolic value through their unethical marketing choices, meaning it would devalue the collection of anyone who obtains it. I thus would not touch it.

The interesting thing here is saying there's unethical marketing choices used by Wube. I can't for the life of me see how any of their marketing is unethical. Perhaps we have very different views on what is ethical and not, but I'm obviously pretty sure that my views of it is pretty good.

[ShutEye_DK]

引用自 MikuSama：

引用自 Chindraba：

Depends on how bright you are, not how rich you are. Granted, there does often seem to be an inverse correlation between the two. If you're able to understand how the other 99% survives, then you ought to understand it. And see the "thinking" it obscures.

Pretty much figure that if your monthly income falls outside the area of a circle with your IQ as the diameter, you're probably too rich to understand.

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Please tell us/me what this is. I do not click on random links, where the sender is too lazy to explain.

[Porcupine]

引用自 𒐪⎝ Epylector ⎠𒐪：

引用自 BOT：

Would you like me to buy you a copy? Or would you keep complaining?

I believe you, but they already ruined the game's symbolic value through their unethical marketing choices, meaning it would devalue the collection of anyone who obtains it. I thus would not touch it.

*Fedora tipping intensifies*

[ChillCore]

引用自 PauMOlv：

just like rimworld did, but at least they did a regional adjustment to the price

they do ... 1200 rubels is a little more than 15 euros ... less than half of what we pay in europe.

maybe do some research before you speak?

[ChillCore]

noone, from south america has so far said how much it is in their local currency ... or I missed it.

I do understand it doubled for brazil and maybe a few other countries ... but it is still with a regional adjustment, I'm sure.
also the exchange rates took a nosedive because of inflation being worse for you and other economic factors?

I mean while inflation was about 6% in north america, it was closer to 10% for west europe, 16-17% for where the devs are and way worse in other places ...


I get it .. it sucks ... I may be from a richer country but price increases were insane here also last year ... still kinda are but yeah ... let's all hope things get back to normal soonish eh?

[ChillCore]

引用自 PauMOlv：

引用自 ChillCore：

noone, from south america has so far said how much it is in their local currency ... or I missed it.

I do understand it doubled for brazil and maybe a few other countries ... but it is still with a regional adjustment, I'm sure.
also the exchange rates took a nosedive because of inflation being worse for you and other economic factors?

I mean while inflation was about 6% in north america, it was closer to 10% for west europe, 16-17% for where the devs are and way worse in other places ...


I get it .. it sucks ... I may be from a richer country but prices increases were insane here also last year ... still kinda are but yeah ... let's all hope things get back to normal soonish eh?

the problem is, the minimum wage in brazil is R$1.300 and to take example we'll use the USA it is $1.270, the game is R$102 here and $35 (i guess?) for them, as R$102 looks irrelevant its literally the choice between buying food for the month (if you live alone, if you not then it'll be probably R$400/600) or buying the game, of course its not the dev's fault

yeah 35 + local sales tax in the us, 32 euros tax included here in belgium.

so for you it's about 18 euros, which I admit is quite a chunk out of your income if you make the minimum. (not saying you do and I don't need to know ;) )
so yeah they do do regional pricing, no?

anyway, thanks for providing them numbers ... helps me understand better where you are coming from

Don't stare yourself blind on minimum wages in richer regions ... the cost of living is also way more expensive here and most peeps can not just throw money around without consequeneces neither
In my country about 18.7% of peeps have less income than what is considered the poverty line (1366 euros) and have to scrape at the end of the month too, just saying ... not trying to minimalise whatevs your situation is.

[shadain597]

引用自 PauMOlv：

>be a indie team
>make a game be expensive
>do anti-discount ideology
>profit of who actually really buy the game in 2023

just like rimworld did, but at least they did a regional adjustment to the price for most countries in south america

So other people already mentioned that there is regional pricing for Factorio, but it is rather interesting to compare the two. Both games have a base price of $35 in the USA, but Rimworld appears to be ~20% cheaper in Brazil. Kinda makes you wonder where that difference comes from?

As far as I know, Wube/Factorio are simply following Steam's recommended regional pricing, in which case it seems like Rimworld's devs made their own regional pricing up. . . Except, Rimworld's price was last updated in November, so without more info it's possible the only reason it has a lower price is because the price hasn't been updated since then, while Factorio's has. Something I've noticed is that Rimworld's price went from R$65,99 to R$79,99 on November 17, and the next sale started on December 22. That was a 20% off sale, down to R$ 63,99. Yet, the 10% off sales prior to November 17 brought the game down to R$ 59,39. Notice that this is the first time they did "20% off" sales.

Personally, this strikes me as being more misleading/dishonest than Factorio's pricing, though I guess I should point out that Rimworld's US base price didn't change, so going from 10% to 20% sales did result in a (slightly) lower price in that region. Of course, it's also worth pointing out that unlike Factorio, Rimworld is up to 3 DLCs for a total of ~$65 USD. From what I can tell, they are doing fairly standard DLCs--which is, make content and then sell it at a markup compared to the base game. I know what you're thinking "but the DLCs each cost less than the base game!", and that is true, but they also deliver less content. The first two DLCs, in particular, seem to have significantly less than half of the content, compared to the base, yet cost more than half of what the base game costs.

Don't get me wrong, there's still plenty of other games with worse monetization schemes than Rimworld, I just can't see why everyone uses it as an example of what Factorio should be.