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jonbrave Apr 5, 2021 @ 1:16am
Horizontal screen lines?
I am playing 1.1 for the first time. I don't know for sure whether this has happened in the past, but I don't think so. All my settings are on "default".

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2447218152

If you look all around the edges, you should see "horizontal lines" for an inch or so. This is in "zoomed in map mode", i.e. press "M" and zoom in. The same scene but NOT viewed in Map-mode does NOT show these lines.

Is this indeed new at 1.1? What is causing it? What can I do to get rid of these "lines"?
Last edited by jonbrave; Apr 5, 2021 @ 1:22am
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Nailfoot Apr 5, 2021 @ 1:29am 
That is designed to tell you, you are in map mode.

It's by design.
jonbrave Apr 5, 2021 @ 2:36am 
Oh, LOL, really? So this has always been the case and I just never noticed it? Anyway, if it;s supposed to be like this that is a relief!
RiO Apr 5, 2021 @ 5:18am 
Originally posted by jonbrave:
Oh, LOL, really? So this has always been the case and I just never noticed it? Anyway, if it;s supposed to be like this that is a relief!

No. It's not that you didn't notice it before. It is indeed new in the 1.1 version of the game.
The devs felt a more clear visual signal that tells you whether you're in map mode or not, was necessary. They added those 'CRT lines' to it as an improvement.
jonbrave Apr 5, 2021 @ 5:42am 
Originally posted by RiO:
Originally posted by jonbrave:
Oh, LOL, really? So this has always been the case and I just never noticed it? Anyway, if it;s supposed to be like this that is a relief!

No. It's not that you didn't notice it before. It is indeed new in the 1.1 version of the game.
The devs felt a more clear visual signal that tells you whether you're in map mode or not, was necessary. They added those 'CRT lines' to it as an improvement.

Oh, a 'CRT lines' improvement, double-LOL! At least I am happy now that I know it's not my gfx card.

I had been thinking about asking what people think of another improvement: after 5-odd years, why did they decide to move the character-toolbar-thingie from the bottom right, where I was totally comfortable with it, to the bottom-left, where my brain/eyes aren't interested in noticing it?
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Warlord Apr 5, 2021 @ 8:20am 
The only reason I can think of why they moved the character equipment panel to the left was because the right-side was already pretty crowded with the tooltip bar. Some tooltips for logistics would scroll off the screen depending on how many items you have in your logistics network. Any amount of screen space they could recover for that is helpful.
RiO Apr 5, 2021 @ 8:31am 
Originally posted by Warlord:
The only reason I can think of why they moved the character equipment panel to the left was because the right-side was already pretty crowded with the tooltip bar. Some tooltips for logistics would scroll off the screen depending on how many items you have in your logistics network. Any amount of screen space they could recover for that is helpful.

Iirc space for the right-hand details sidebar was indeed one of the cited reasons for moving the character dash to the left, together with the vehicle dash.
Last edited by RiO; Apr 5, 2021 @ 8:31am
jonbrave Apr 5, 2021 @ 11:00am 
Well, unfortunately it has made me realise just how "right-sided" I seem to be in what I look at. I just don't look at the left, I think nothing important in life ever happens on the left....
Originally posted by jonbrave:
Well, unfortunately it has made me realise just how "right-sided" I seem to be in what I look at. I just don't look at the left, I think nothing important in life ever happens on the left....
Most likely because you are right handed. That's pretty typical for a right handed person which is why having that information on the left feels clunky for anyone who isn't left handed and hasn't yet become used to the new placement.
jonbrave Apr 10, 2021 @ 12:56am 
Originally posted by knighttemplar1960:
Originally posted by jonbrave:
Well, unfortunately it has made me realise just how "right-sided" I seem to be in what I look at. I just don't look at the left, I think nothing important in life ever happens on the left....
Most likely because you are right handed. That's pretty typical for a right handed person which is why having that information on the left feels clunky for anyone who isn't left handed and hasn't yet become used to the new placement.

Indeed, and interesting! I know I am very strongly right-sided, I use my right hand for everything (e.g. one-handed typing) and have always been totally right-footed kicking a ball in footie, I cannot even direct it if I try my left foot, and hence have never been called up to play for England....

In Factorio I cannot use WASD keys (I don't have any other game which requires these), and instead use the arrow keys over on the right-hand side of the keyboard.

Other than being incompetent, does this say anything about me?
knighttemplar1960 Apr 10, 2021 @ 4:51am 
People are bilaterally symmetrical but are in actuality slight bilaterally asymmetrical. One eye may be higher than the other. One ear maybe slightly higher than the other, the septum can be deviated, one side of the mouth can turn up higher or down lower, etc.

Some people are right handed some people are left handed some people have varying degrees of ambidextery. This goes for the eyes, ears, and feet as well. A right eyed person that does the parallax experiment sees the foreground object shift less when the right eye is open. A right eared person following a sound will tend to veer to the right slightly when following a sound without using vision at the same time. A right footed person starts off walking on their right foot unless they concentrate on moving the left foot first voluntarily. The opposite arm swings with the opposite foot to maintain balance to see what I mean try walking and stepping forward with the right foot while consciously swing the right arm. If you don't fall over your balance will be precarious and you will have to take your time stepping.

Logical/organized people are left brained, artistic/emotional people are right brained. People who are "ambidexterously brained" (like Davinci or Franklin) are both logical thinkers and artistic. They also tend to insanity or odd behavior and usually require very little sleep.

The nerves in the brain crisscross so most left brained people are right handed.

There are exceptions to all of this though. you can be right handed and left footed. A right handed person that also happens to be left eyed is very bad at firing a gun or shooting a bow and arrows.

A left brained person that is right handed writes "normally." A left brained person that is left handed writes with their hand curled back towards their body. A right brained, right handed person writes with their right hand curled back toward their body whereas a right brained left handed person writes "normally." Or perhaps smoothly would be a better choice of word.

For most people left brained and all other things right is the norm but discrepancies do exist. If you have ever looked at a person that wears glasses and they seem to be looking through the middle of one lens but through the top or bottom of the other they have one ear higher than the other but the eye that is higher is the one on the opposite side.

It is possible to train the hand and eye on the same side of the brain but it takes concentration, mental focus, and practice. Its also usually learned before the age of 2.
jonbrave Apr 10, 2021 @ 7:02am 
@knighttemplar1960
Thanks, very interesting! :)

I don't think I ever noticed before, but I will always start out on the right foot, wouldn't dream of the left. Right for everything for me!
knighttemplar1960 Apr 10, 2021 @ 7:29am 
You can usually tell by observation. For example a person that is right handed but left footed uses a 3 or 5 step approach when bowling. A right/right person uses the 4 step approach.
vts6482 Apr 21, 2021 @ 12:21pm 
As OP wrote, "What can I do to get rid of these "lines"?". I do not see anything obvious in the options menu so is there a console command to remove them? Or is this another case of devs just knowing better and baking in a UI change without a switch?
Leeux Apr 21, 2021 @ 1:24pm 
There's a mod that supposedly gets rid of them... it's called No Black Lines in Map View[mods.factorio.com].

I have installed it yesterday after finishing my play session (now that I finished getting all the achievements I can get this run...) and gonna test if that's the case when I play next.
Last edited by Leeux; Apr 21, 2021 @ 1:25pm
vts6482 Apr 22, 2021 @ 4:15am 
Thanks Leeux (and the mod dev Dune1411)!
Guess I was searching the wrong terms last night but can confirm this mod does the job!
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