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Systemz Apr 14, 2020 @ 11:01pm
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Hey,

I'm very new to factorio and have been enjoying it a lot but I'm stumped on why my power is dramatically stuttering at 70 hours into a game. I grasp the basics of the game such as power management but I do not understand how my power capacity is fluctuating so much all of a sudden.

I am running 2 separate locations generating power from boilers to steam turbines (i understand the boiler is 165F and not 500F, so I should get a reduced maximum power output per turbine), both run on coal and have ample supply. Both are maxed out on water intake from pumps and performed flawlessly for most of the game up until just recently.

I will go from green capacity with 130 MW use all the way down to 340 KW output TOTAL and 0 use and everything in between. Ive read online to try using fluid tanks to store steam so I have tried this plus added extra water pump and boiler capacity to help generate reserves and it still doesnt work.


I have been expanding my base capacity to produce, refine/craft resources aggressively leading up to this sudden issue. Is my issue simply not enough power or is it something else? i have screen shots on steam in my profile.

thanks.
Originally posted by GermanHerman:
Your ratios are WAY off. Assuming you play vanilla:

one boiler can produce steam to run 2 steam eninges full power. that would give you 1,8 MW (900 per engine).
You are using steam turbines which are for nuclear power plants. those can produce 5.4 MW...which is WAY too much for those boilers.

What probably happens: your boilers heat some water and the steam goes into the turbines. the turbines use it up almost immediately (remember: they can produce 5.4MW at full power) and then there is no steam left, that is the massive drop in produced power. then that cycle restarts.

To solve that: rebuild your power plant. use 1 boiler for 2 steam engines. one boiler+2 engine gives you 1.8 MW of power constantly (if you got enough fuel and water)

EDIT: you can run turbines with boilers (doesnt make much sense but you can). but to make it work your power peak usage should not be too high. otherwise it happens what I just described

EDIT 2: I sent you a friend request. that way we can chat if you got further questions. could also join your game it you set up a multiplayer game quickly. we got different timezone btw^^

EDIT 3: another edit^^ your buttom line of turbines seems not to be connected on the screenshot
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knighttemplar1960 Apr 14, 2020 @ 11:18pm 
If you've been expanding you most likely just aren't generating enough power to run every thing when its all turned on. Once your smelters and assembly machines have filled their belts and storage area your power consumption drops. When you pick up items to construct things in your base your factory has material demands again and uses more power to supply it.

If too many machines turn on at the same time you can suffer brown outs like you are describing. If you click on a power pole you can look at a graph of your power consumption.
Dark Apr 15, 2020 @ 12:58am 
Check your coal supply is keeping up with the generators demands. Also at night you would be surprised how much lights take to keep running. If you have any solar then it wont work at night and the strain gets more on your steam.
Zukabazuka Apr 15, 2020 @ 1:24am 
Have you linked the powergrid with the rest of the base? That is the powerline is connecting to the main grid.
GermanHerman Apr 15, 2020 @ 1:46am 
Did you set up everything properly?
Like:
- do you have the max ratio of steam engines to boiklers? (2 enignes per boiler)
- do the inserters work all the time? (either you have a seperate network for the coal inserters with solar power (so it ALWAYS works) or you use burner inserters for the coal)
- do you have enough water even in the last boiler?
- is your coal conveyer line for power production enough for its needs? (make power production #1 priority)

Maybe give us some screenshots
Edwin Apr 15, 2020 @ 2:53am 
This happens to all new(ish) players at some point. I've seen it named as the "coal death spiral".

Basically what happens is that you have a coal power plant system that is capable of producing an amount of power. This can be either limited by the amount of steam engines or the amount of coal you bring in. Then this happens:

1 You expand beyond the power limit.
2 Factory starts running at lower speed to compensate for insufficient power.
3 Miners slow down and bring in less coal.
4 Power production goes down
5 Loop to step 2

Eventually everything grinds to halt. It's a slow and silent killer than, if you're not keeping your eyes on it, will catch you by surprise.

Solution:
1. Kill power to part of your factory (by removing some power poles)
2. Keep some production of building stuff running.
3. Expand power production (and coal mining)
4. Reconnect the main factory.

There are some variations on this as well. If you use oil -> solid fuel -> steam engines, then you might get caught out by the fact that oil pumps reduce production over time. Solar is consistent, but not easy to build up quickly. Nuclear takes a bit of time to get your head around as well.
LordRadin Apr 15, 2020 @ 4:53am 
map editor.... can't find or place items on ground wtf
Wen Apr 15, 2020 @ 9:08am 
Originally posted by LordRadin:
map editor.... can't find or place items on ground wtf
what?
Systemz Apr 15, 2020 @ 10:31am 
Originally posted by knighttemplar1960:
If you've been expanding you most likely just aren't generating enough power to run every thing when its all turned on. Once your smelters and assembly machines have filled their belts and storage area your power consumption drops. When you pick up items to construct things in your base your factory has material demands again and uses more power to supply it.

If too many machines turn on at the same time you can suffer brown outs like you are describing. If you click on a power pole you can look at a graph of your power consumption.

I totally understand this but my power generating capacity keeps jumping between 340 KW and goes all the way up to 130 MW. My capacity bar is green at that point and it maybe 1/5 of the total generating capacity. Coal lines are full. Water is full. I even put in fluid tanks to store steam and they never deplete.

Originally posted by Dark:
Check your coal supply is keeping up with the generators demands. Also at night you would be surprised how much lights take to keep running. If you have any solar then it wont work at night and the strain gets more on your steam.

Coal supply is adequate. Don't use solar, too expensive and time consuming to make anything worthwhile.


Originally posted by Zukabazuka:
Have you linked the powergrid with the rest of the base? That is the powerline is connecting to the main grid.

Yes of course, the whole base is connected.




Originally posted by GermanHerman:
Did you set up everything properly?
Like:
- do you have the max ratio of steam engines to boiklers? (2 enignes per boiler)
- do the inserters work all the time? (either you have a seperate network for the coal inserters with solar power (so it ALWAYS works) or you use burner inserters for the coal)
- do you have enough water even in the last boiler?
- is your coal conveyer line for power production enough for its needs? (make power production #1 priority)

Maybe give us some screenshots

Yes I have everything plus added extra water and boilers based on something I read about storing steam for fluctuating power spikes. This didn't solve the issue either.

I have no idea how to add screen shots, however I snapped a few using steam and uploaded them onto my profile for public view. How do I post them directly into the discussion? thanks


Originally posted by Edwin:
This happens to all new(ish) players at some point. I've seen it named as the "coal death spiral".

Basically what happens is that you have a coal power plant system that is capable of producing an amount of power. This can be either limited by the amount of steam engines or the amount of coal you bring in. Then this happens:

1 You expand beyond the power limit.
2 Factory starts running at lower speed to compensate for insufficient power.
3 Miners slow down and bring in less coal.
4 Power production goes down
5 Loop to step 2

Eventually everything grinds to halt. It's a slow and silent killer than, if you're not keeping your eyes on it, will catch you by surprise.

Solution:
1. Kill power to part of your factory (by removing some power poles)
2. Keep some production of building stuff running.
3. Expand power production (and coal mining)
4. Reconnect the main factory.

There are some variations on this as well. If you use oil -> solid fuel -> steam engines, then you might get caught out by the fact that oil pumps reduce production over time. Solar is consistent, but not easy to build up quickly. Nuclear takes a bit of time to get your head around as well.

Yes I'm literally experiencing this right now lol. I think I will add another full boiler line and see where that gets me. I'm really trying to push to switch to nuclear power now but between the blackouts and bug attacks on various fronts and me raiding bug camps my time is very limited now. The biggest problem is if I have a brown out during a bug attack resulting in my laser turrets going offline. I got the big nasty behemoth biters starting to show up now so it can be very damaging lol.

my top two priority goals right now is increasing ammo generating capacity to build artillery shells for the train and getting my uranium processed for nuclear power generation.
Last edited by Systemz; Apr 15, 2020 @ 10:37am
Systemz Apr 15, 2020 @ 10:45am 
Here is a link to 8 pictures I think I took from last night. I have the power fluctuating from 340 KW to 36 MW in two of the pictures. What I do not have is the power going to 50 MW or 126 MW use with it showing only 1/5 of total capacity in use.

As I said before, I have made sure that it is not a coal/water/steam issue. The problem is totally random.

Thought - Could it be the draw from the laser turrets taking priority and shutting down my electric inserters just long enough for the 4-6 coal lumps in the boilers to burn up and then not restart back up? I am beginning to think the blackouts happen when the bugs come which is literally all the time now lol.

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198019178890/screenshots/?appid=427520#scrollTop=0


Last edited by Systemz; Apr 15, 2020 @ 10:59am
Wen Apr 15, 2020 @ 11:04am 
its fine
Systemz Apr 15, 2020 @ 11:48am 
So between last night and today I have added 20 additional turbines and boilers
added steam pipe connection to all turbines with fluid tank storage
upgraded all belts to red and added storage boxes for coal buffer

None of that was working but then I added another med/big wire pole ontop of the existing connection and suddenly the issue is resolved.

I have double checked my original connection and it is 100% connected to the grid so I don't know wtf happened. is there a max power transmission on the poles? I still have small poles in the base that would have been xfering the power from the power plants, its the only thing I did not upgrade.

My generating capacity is so high, I think I use 1/10 of it now even when peak at 140 MW.

Or is it a glitch on the turbine power output when using boilers? 165F steam from boilers to turbines say 1.8 MW / 5.8 MW max capacity (max capacity is at 500F, makes sense), but clicking on a pole my capacity looks over whelming and wasted. last night i had 70 turbines, 70x1.8=126 MW, under power on the 136-140+ MW spikes from laser turret use. I get green bar status on satisfaction and supply though and then have the issues too?

having 80 turbines covers up to 144 MW using 165F water which meets the peak demands. Shouldn't my supply bar be yellow/red then and not indicate I have 1/10 usage? Misleading..
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GermanHerman Apr 15, 2020 @ 11:53am 
Your ratios are WAY off. Assuming you play vanilla:

one boiler can produce steam to run 2 steam eninges full power. that would give you 1,8 MW (900 per engine).
You are using steam turbines which are for nuclear power plants. those can produce 5.4 MW...which is WAY too much for those boilers.

What probably happens: your boilers heat some water and the steam goes into the turbines. the turbines use it up almost immediately (remember: they can produce 5.4MW at full power) and then there is no steam left, that is the massive drop in produced power. then that cycle restarts.

To solve that: rebuild your power plant. use 1 boiler for 2 steam engines. one boiler+2 engine gives you 1.8 MW of power constantly (if you got enough fuel and water)

EDIT: you can run turbines with boilers (doesnt make much sense but you can). but to make it work your power peak usage should not be too high. otherwise it happens what I just described

EDIT 2: I sent you a friend request. that way we can chat if you got further questions. could also join your game it you set up a multiplayer game quickly. we got different timezone btw^^

EDIT 3: another edit^^ your buttom line of turbines seems not to be connected on the screenshot
Last edited by GermanHerman; Apr 15, 2020 @ 12:02pm
astrosha Apr 15, 2020 @ 12:02pm 
A full yellow belt of Coal can fuel 33 boilers. So, you can get *most* of two 1/20/40 boiler arrays (1 offshore pump, 20 boilers, 40 steam engines) per yellow belt of Coal.

Upgrade said yellow belt of Coal to a yellow belt of Solid Fuel, and you can feed 100 boilers, or four of the 1/20/40 arrays (and a fifth one, if really needed).

One 1/20/40 array gets you 36 MW. Two gets you 72 MW.
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