Win by handcrafting?

[Mr. Sir]

In theory how long would it take to win the game by handcrafting as much as possible? Any ideas anyone?

[BluFalcon]

I have no idea but lets throw a guestimate out there. Lets say you finish in 8 hours seems like a good time to go by as that is the speed run achievment time. now lets say a pretty solid factory has 500-1000 yellow assemblers running. (500-1000)x1.25x8= 5000-10000 manhours

so should take you about 208-416 days playing 24 hours a day

[Killcreek2]

You can work some of it out using the wiki if you really want to know.

The rocket part[wiki.factorio.com] page lists every component needed for 1 launch, & the crafting time is listed on each items page. Then multiply the items needed by recipe time (handcrafting speed =1), for each handcraftable recipe, & add them all together.
Handcrafting the 12575 copper cables needed for just the rocket assembly would take ~52mins.

Some machine-craftable-only items (ie: fluid recipes, ore smelting) can probably be done in parallel with the player handcrafting, so those can be ignored. But certain ones such as the silo rocket part assembling time would also need to be factored in.
PLUS all the player time spent hand-crafting the required miners / assemblers / smelters / refinery / powerplant / pipes / belts / powerpoles / inserters / &etc.

You might need a spreadsheet with formulae, plus a handcrafting schedule, to organise it all efficiently & derive more than a minimum approximation.

edit ~ If you are including tech research, then the time required goes waaay up: handcrafting the sci packs will also need to be factored in & added to the schedule.

[tom]

what about items that requires liquids?

[piccolo255]

Originally posted by tom:

what about items that requires liquids?

That's where the "as much as possible" part comes in -- crafting that requires liquids just plain isn't possible to do by hand, so it's OK to buildingcraft it (... let's assume that's a word). Same with smelting.

At least that was my understanding of the OP, after having the same initial reaction as you, and carefully rereading the question :)

[tom]

Originally posted by piccolo255:

Originally posted by tom:

what about items that requires liquids?

That's where the "as much as possible" part comes in -- crafting that requires liquids just plain isn't possible to do by hand, so it's OK to buildingcraft it (... let's assume that's a word). Same with smelting.

At least that was my understanding of the OP, after having the same initial reaction as you, and carefully rereading the question :)

yeah, i should have readed it more carefully

[Warlord]

Originally posted by piccolo255:

Originally posted by tom:

what about items that requires liquids?

That's where the "as much as possible" part comes in -- crafting that requires liquids just plain isn't possible to do by hand, so it's OK to buildingcraft it (... let's assume that's a word). Same with smelting.

At least that was my understanding of the OP, after having the same initial reaction as you, and carefully rereading the question :)

Here’s the kicker: do you restrict yourself to a single assembler to make non craftable items? Or are you allowed to make a hundred of them to make engines super fast? One assembler per item? (Oil, cracking, engines, electric engines, processors, batteries, acid, plastics, etc)

At what point does making modules improve your craft time? I bet productivity modules will be king here.

[Mr. Sir]

Originally posted by Warlord:

Originally posted by piccolo255:

That's where the "as much as possible" part comes in -- crafting that requires liquids just plain isn't possible to do by hand, so it's OK to buildingcraft it (... let's assume that's a word). Same with smelting.

At least that was my understanding of the OP, after having the same initial reaction as you, and carefully rereading the question :)

Here’s the kicker: do you restrict yourself to a single assembler to make non craftable items? Or are you allowed to make a hundred of them to make engines super fast? One assembler per item? (Oil, cracking, engines, electric engines, processors, batteries, acid, plastics, etc)

At what point does making modules improve your craft time? I bet productivity modules will be king here.

I was more so thinking every item that requires a machine to craft or smelting would be instant as to rule out their factoring. Just to use the end products, aka the crafted items, to then hand craft in bigger things.

Originally posted by BluFalcon:

I have no idea but lets throw a guestimate out there. Lets say you finish in 8 hours seems like a good time to go by as that is the speed run achievment time. now lets say a pretty solid factory has 500-1000 yellow assemblers running. (500-1000)x1.25x8= 5000-10000 manhours

so should take you about 208-416 days playing 24 hours a day

So far I both like and fear this answer. I feel it will be closest we will know unless someone really likes doing math!

[THE kilroy]

Pretty sure the game will automatically detect what you were doing and change the name of the game to factori-no

[impetus_maximus]

even if you finish the game, i wouldn't consider it a win. it kills me when i see screenshots of people hand crafting 500 gears.

Originally posted by THE kilroy:

Pretty sure the game will automatically detect what you were doing and change the name of the game to factori-no

lol

[piccolo255]

Originally posted by impetus maximus:

it kills me when i see screenshots of people hand crafting 500 gears.

"Quality of Life research" mod -> manual crafting speed research :D

[Evilsod]

Originally posted by impetus maximus:

even if you finish the game, i wouldn't consider it a win. it kills me when i see screenshots of people hand crafting 500 gears.

Originally posted by THE kilroy:

Pretty sure the game will automatically detect what you were doing and change the name of the game to factori-no

lol

To be fair, its only painful if you're waiting for the craft to finish. If you're just wandering around crafting them to use later on, its a good use of time.

[impetus_maximus]

how hard is it to plop down an assembler and put gears in a crate?

[THE kilroy]

For speed runs, handcrafting is basically free, can save some infrastructure and save planning time. But i do believe a key is "once you can automate, automate "

Oh also, in early game you can use hand crafting as a bottomless chest for easy long distance transfer. As the materials required for hand craftimg are magically removed from your inventory and contain no que limit.

But yeah. automate

[impetus_maximus]

Originally posted by THE kilroy:

Oh also, in early game you can use hand crafting as a bottomless chest for easy long distance transfer. As the materials required for hand craftimg are magically removed from your inventory and contain no que limit.

ok, that is a clever use of hand crafting. :)

[THE kilroy]

Yeah just be careful cancelling to get your material back, can become an item explosion