Limit Artillery Wagon Capacity?

[Sticky Octoballer]

Is there any way to limit the capacity of artillery wagons? I would like to have one on each train, but I don't need 100 shells in each.

The static artillary guns seem to stop being loaded by inserters once they get to 5, but the wagons just keep loading.

[stlyau]

Other than circuit wiring the inserter putting shells in, no. Then again, I wouldn’t put Arty wagon on every train. It’ll fire at anything in range every time it stops. Which could become a problem if you’re trying to build a new outpost and haven’t set up defenses.

[Killcreek2]

Yes ~ wire train stop to the loading inserters, set stop to "read train contents", & set the inserters to activate "if shells < wanted amount".

[AlexMBrennan]

Yes ~ wire train stop to the loading inserters, set stop to "read train contents", & set the inserters to activate "if shells < wanted amount".

That's not gonna work if you have more than one artillery wagon per train, or if you want to move around ammo in cargo wagons (not that you ever wood).

Simply put, the devs wanted to make really sure you use the new artillery train, and decided that the best way of achieving this is messing with stack size to prevent the player from moving ammo by any other means (player/chest hold 1 shell per slot, artillery turret holds 15 shells per slot, artillery wagon holds 100 shells per slot). This means, of course, that you no longer have the ability to limit cargo slots because there is only one cargo slot.

I am sure you will agree that this is a small price to pay to ensure that you play the game the way it was meant to be played.

[Killcreek2]

Originally posted by AlexMBrennan:

That's not gonna work if you have more than one artillery wagon per train,

OP stated 1 per train, so it should work fine for his situation.

Originally posted by Sticky Octoballer:

I would like to have one on each train, but I don't need 100 shells in each.

[mmppolton]

this is upset me since factoiro is supost to be a sand box not i have issue not doing it one way

[Warlord]

Originally posted by mmppolton:

this is upset me since factoiro is supost to be a sand box not i have issue not doing it one way

Sandbox doesn't mean that you can do exactly what you want to do no matter what. You are still limited by the available logic commands the game has available.

That being said, The OP's specific request should be possible to do, as others here have previously stated. Did you try their solution?

Originally posted by stlyau:

It’ll fire at anything in range every time it stops. Which could become a problem if you’re trying to build a new outpost and haven’t set up defenses.

That'd be the least of my worries, as an arty wagon is the same weight as 4 normal wagons. The loss of speed, and increased fuel consumption...

[Hedning]

Originally posted by AlexMBrennan:

Yes ~ wire train stop to the loading inserters, set stop to "read train contents", & set the inserters to activate "if shells < wanted amount".

That's not gonna work if you have more than one artillery wagon per train, or if you want to move around ammo in cargo wagons (not that you ever wood).

Setting up even loading is something you should probably learn how to do anyway.

[mmppolton]

Originally posted by Warlord:

Originally posted by mmppolton:

this is upset me since factoiro is supost to be a sand box not i have issue not doing it one way

Sandbox doesn't mean that you can do exactly what you want to do no matter what. You are still limited by the available logic commands the game has available.

That being said, The OP's specific request should be possible to do, as others here have previously stated. Did you try their solution?

Originally posted by stlyau:

It’ll fire at anything in range every time it stops. Which could become a problem if you’re trying to build a new outpost and haven’t set up defenses.

That'd be the least of my worries, as an arty wagon is the same weight as 4 normal wagons. The loss of speed, and increased fuel consumption...

i mean in regarting them stack to only 1 in chest make it is so hard to storage them for when the train come bakc we need 4 chest for one train wago i have thout of make them on site for some of it since i like doing a area just to kill lots of bitter to claer the area

[Warlord]

Originally posted by mmppolton:

i mean in regarting them stack to only 1 in chest make it is so hard to storage them for when the train come bakc we need 4 chest for one train wago i have thout of make them on site for some of it since i like doing a area just to kill lots of bitter to claer the area

Ah. I was annoyed at first when I built artillery for the first time. It doesn't make much sense, but I actually like that it isn't simply another large stack of numbers like gun ammo and shotgun shells that you need to produce and carry a stack of. The logistics involved in managing the shells is a nice change of pace.

[Heckett]

Originally posted by Warlord:

Originally posted by mmppolton:

i mean in regarding them stack to only 1 in chest make it is so hard to storage them for when the train come back we need 4 chest for one train wagon i have thought of make them on site for some of it since i like doing a area just to kill lots of bitter to clear the area

Ah. I was annoyed at first when I built artillery for the first time. It doesn't make much sense, but I actually like that it isn't simply another large stack of numbers like gun ammo and shotgun shells that you need to produce and carry a stack of. The logistics involved in managing the shells is a nice change of pace.

I like how the shells stack. IMO it makes sense considering how much more room the wagons take up vs the stationary guns and vs a chest. You would think there is a lot of extra room that can be converted to storage for a lot of extra shells.

Just thinking out loud since I haven't played with them very much, but could you cheese it by using an artillery wagon as storage AND defense by placing it on a set of rails large enough for it? Or do they not allow you to remove shells as well? It would be an interesting thing to try at least to see if there is any immediate advantage to it, or if you just waste resources.

[Hedning]

The point of static turrets having smaller stack size is because they aren't using it anyway when placed normally since they have a constant supply, unlike the moving train. If you are not setting up a constant supply go ahead and use the train, but how exaclty are you going to fill it considering you can't carry many shells? if you pick it up it needs to be emptied first, like any container.

[Warlord]

Originally posted by Hecket Clause:

Originally posted by Warlord:

Ah. I was annoyed at first when I built artillery for the first time. It doesn't make much sense, but I actually like that it isn't simply another large stack of numbers like gun ammo and shotgun shells that you need to produce and carry a stack of. The logistics involved in managing the shells is a nice change of pace.

I like how the shells stack. IMO it makes sense considering how much more room the wagons take up vs the stationary guns and vs a chest. You would think there is a lot of extra room that can be converted to storage for a lot of extra shells.

Just thinking out loud since I haven't played with them very much, but could you cheese it by using an artillery wagon as storage AND defense by placing it on a set of rails large enough for it? Or do they not allow you to remove shells as well? It would be an interesting thing to try at least to see if there is any immediate advantage to it, or if you just waste resources.

I can't think of any reason you couldn't take the shells out of an artillery wagon that is sitting on the rails. But as inefficient as a chest is, 3 chests holds more shells than an entire 2x6 artillery wagon.

I suppose if you set the wagons diagonally, you could then use a stack inserter to move from your "storage wagon" to your mobile wagon and it'd be a faster transfer than using blue inserters from chests...

[piccolo255]

Originally posted by Hedning:

If you are not setting up a constant supply go ahead and use the train, but how exaclty are you going to fill it considering you can't carry many shells? if you pick it up it needs to be emptied first, like any container.

Requester chests and bots?

Originally posted by Warlord:

I can't think of any reason you couldn't take the shells out of an artillery wagon that is sitting on the rails. But as inefficient as a chest is, 3 chests holds more shells than an entire 2x6 artillery wagon.

Hecket was saying "storage AND defense", so the artillery wagon would be replacing 2 chests (2 tiles), 2 inserters (2 tiles), and an artillery turret (3x3 tiles), for a total of 13 tiles :)

Of course, with a wagon you'd still need to set up resupply (requester + inserter), and I don't think automatic mode works for wagons that are just stationary, ie., not at a train stop -- so if you don't want to be limited to manual shooting you'd also need a station and a locomotive. All considered, wagon does seems to be a poor replacement for a turret.

[Hedning]

Originally posted by piccolo255:

Originally posted by Hedning:

If you are not setting up a constant supply go ahead and use the train, but how exaclty are you going to fill it considering you can't carry many shells? if you pick it up it needs to be emptied first, like any container.

Requester chests and bots?

"If you are not setting up a constant supply"

Originally posted by Warlord:

I suppose if you set the wagons diagonally, you could then use a stack inserter to move from your "storage wagon" to your mobile wagon and it'd be a faster transfer than using blue inserters from chests...

Stack inserters don't magically get increased carry capacity because they pull from a wagon. Stack limit outside of the wagon/turret is still 1

Originally posted by piccolo255:

Of course, with a wagon you'd still need to set up resupply (requester + inserter), and I don't think automatic mode works for wagons that are just stationary, ie., not at a train stop -- so if you don't want to be limited to manual shooting you'd also need a station and a locomotive.

A wagon without a locomotive is considered to be in manual mode, so inserters will work as if at a station.

[piccolo255]

Originally posted by Hedning:

Originally posted by piccolo255:

Requester chests and bots?

"If you are not setting up a constant supply"

Fair enough. Temporary requesters? :)

Originally posted by Hedning:

A wagon without a locomotive is considered to be in manual mode, so inserters will work as if at a station.

I meant automatic/manual mode for shooting.