The new jetpack update breaks getting to Voussoir Portal

[BobboilDandee]

You can't get to the portal to Voussoir anymore now. Because the building in the water is way too far for the new updated jetpacks to reach.

Jeez, this is a huge mistake by the devs. Did they forget that they made us use the jetpack to get their. Now they nerfed the jetpack we can no longer get to this location.

[burger boy]

from the looks of it, almost everyone is enraged about the jetpack alterations.
-- we can only hope that they either revert the alterations to it, or add in an way to restore the jetpack to its former glory in-game, via upgrades or another method.

[Gamer23]

i can still jetpack my way up the tower even without the grav cube.
step 1 look down
step 2 spam jump till your jetpack activates
step 3 jetpack your way up there

[Hooman]

Originally posted by BobboilDandee:

You can't get to the portal to Voussoir anymore now. Because the building in the water is way too far for the new updated jetpacks to reach.

Jeez, this is a huge mistake by the devs. Did they forget that they made us use the jetpack to get their. Now they nerfed the jetpack we can no longer get to this location.

You don't use the jetpack to get there, there is an underwater tunnel you are meant to use. There's several computers that talk about how the facility in the water has been flooded and is being overtaken by the reservoir growth, as well as someone even saying you can't get there because of the collapsed buildings. This is supposed to tell you "Hey, what if I just swam under and went there?"

Do it the intended way and use the scuba suit. Then do what I did and put a rope plant on the side of the tower so you can access it easier from the water.

[Golden Dragon]

Originally posted by Hooman:

Originally posted by BobboilDandee:

You can't get to the portal to Voussoir anymore now. Because the building in the water is way too far for the new updated jetpacks to reach.

Jeez, this is a huge mistake by the devs. Did they forget that they made us use the jetpack to get their. Now they nerfed the jetpack we can no longer get to this location.

You don't use the jetpack to get there, there is an underwater tunnel you are meant to use. There's several computers that talk about how the facility in the water has been flooded and is being overtaken by the reservoir growth, as well as someone even saying you can't get there because of the collapsed buildings. This is supposed to tell you "Hey, what if I just swam under and went there?"

Do it the intended way and use the scuba suit. Then do what I did and put a rope plant on the side of the tower so you can access it easier from the water.

Which is extremely ugly, as the ‘clear view’ of the waters still doesn't work even with goggles.

to find these tunnels blindly..... good luck.

[Khloros]

Originally posted by BobboilDandee:

You can't get to the portal to Voussoir anymore now. Because the building in the water is way too far for the new updated jetpacks to reach.

Jeez, this is a huge mistake by the devs. Did they forget that they made us use the jetpack to get their. Now they nerfed the jetpack we can no longer get to this location.

You do know that using the jet pack to get up there is the cheese method right? its not the method you are meant to use. There is an entrance under the water that takes you up into the building.

Once you are in, you should probably set up a small outpost there so you can teleport there.

The jet pack changes were needed because it was way to strong, it basically broke the entire progression of the game once you got it because everything became trivial.

[Bonkers]

Originally posted by Golden Dragon:

Originally posted by Hooman:

You don't use the jetpack to get there, there is an underwater tunnel you are meant to use. There's several computers that talk about how the facility in the water has been flooded and is being overtaken by the reservoir growth, as well as someone even saying you can't get there because of the collapsed buildings. This is supposed to tell you "Hey, what if I just swam under and went there?"

Do it the intended way and use the scuba suit. Then do what I did and put a rope plant on the side of the tower so you can access it easier from the water.

Which is extremely ugly, as the ‘clear view’ of the waters still doesn't work even with goggles.

to find these tunnels blindly..... good luck.

Just use the goggles and a handheld source of light, such as the x-ray lamp or the lantern. I had zero trouble finding both tunnels into the building on my own just by exploring the underwater area with that setup.

[Golden Dragon]

Originally posted by Bonkers:

Originally posted by Golden Dragon:

Which is extremely ugly, as the ‘clear view’ of the waters still doesn't work even with goggles.

to find these tunnels blindly..... good luck.

Just use the goggles and a handheld source of light, such as the x-ray lamp or the lantern. I had zero trouble finding both tunnels into the building on my own just by exploring the underwater area with that setup.

Yeah, yeah.
I replied to you in another thread, but I'll duplicate it here.
I think underwater visibility and lighting are the ugliest parts of the game.
I did explore the bottom, but it was something that made me spit and I still spit to this day.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3382593610
‘good visibility’ with goggles and a lamp.

[Bonkers]

Originally posted by Golden Dragon:

Originally posted by Bonkers:

Just use the goggles and a handheld source of light, such as the x-ray lamp or the lantern. I had zero trouble finding both tunnels into the building on my own just by exploring the underwater area with that setup.

Yeah, yeah.
I replied to you in another thread, but I'll duplicate it here.
I think underwater visibility and lighting are the ugliest parts of the game.
I did explore the bottom, but it was something that made me spit and I still spit to this day.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3382593610
‘good visibility’ with goggles and a lamp.

- snip -

Turns out I was talking bs. When I did testing, visibility happened to be really bad because there was a weather event active and I didn't make the connection.

That means seeing underwater is as easy as it's always been, lol.

[Nerevar]

i dont get the tc. i can still jump and jet over from the mountain pathway to the tower same as before. the timeing for letting go off the boost is a bit trickier but thats really all i noticed. still made it over without big problems.

or are you trying to jetpack from like the entire other side ? cause that was never meant to be possible. that cliffside path is there for a reason.

[Gaming_Bigfoot]

Originally posted by Khloros:

You do know that using the jet pack to get up there is the cheese method right? its not the method you are meant to use.

Makes it all the funnier that I got over there using that method and was none the wiser of the water section. To that end, never got to experience the pre-nerf jetpack but it definitely has the capacity to do it in its current form.

Originally posted by Nerevar:

or are you trying to jetpack from like the entire other side? cause that was never meant to be possible. that cliffside path is there for a reason.

It takes the cube as well to do it from there but it's absolutely doable.

Seeing both of these has me wondering if I've learned movement tech that others haven't so far...

[MechWarden]

Originally posted by Gaming_Bigfoot:

Originally posted by Khloros:

You do know that using the jet pack to get up there is the cheese method right? its not the method you are meant to use.

Makes it all the funnier that I got over there using that method and was none the wiser of the water section. To that end, never got to experience the pre-nerf jetpack but it definitely has the capacity to do it in its current form.

Originally posted by Nerevar:

or are you trying to jetpack from like the entire other side? cause that was never meant to be possible. that cliffside path is there for a reason.

It takes the cube as well to do it from there but it's absolutely doable.

Seeing both of these has me wondering if I've learned movement tech that others haven't so far...

Not going to lie, I was wondering what is going on as well. I was able to fly around more or less just fine post-nerf in IS 0083, and I never ran into anything particularly bad during normal use. However, IS 0083 did feel a bit... floaty, especial with the gravity cube trinket.

But just to verify (as a good scientist should), I did try to fly to the Neutrino Detector and in fact I couldn't make the flight without touching the water in the way I was used to operating the jet pack. I would fall into the water less than half way there and after that I couldn't fly again more times than not, despite being able to before the nerf.

So I learned a couple things. First one is that if you overheat while over water, you are sunk. The game requires you to stand on solid dry ground for you to use your jet pack again. Another is that there are even more quirks annoying quirks to the jet pack heat system than I realized.
(also means my 2nd set of ideas on how they worked are wrong )

I did manage to do it not only fly to the Neutrino Detector, but I did it near water level, meaning I also was able to gain height. With some practice and looking at the heat gauge like a hawk (rather than where I was flying!), I finally was able to semi-reliably fly the distance back. I also tested it with heavy armor (Crystalline set) after I got the feel for it, and still got it to work.

And yes, I think you discovered movement tech that few have figured out, mainly because they never need to figure it out until now.

So I'm not sure how to even put this in words. The heat gauge behavior more unintuitive to other heat gauges I've been used to before. There seems to either be a minimum heat gain per button press or a thrust ramp up curve that carries 'thermal momentum' that you have to perfectly time to get the best performance. In either case, that mean rapid fire feathering of the throttle will end your flight real quick. This also generates an unworkable amount of heat if you do slightly wrong, as you can get into a bad feedback look of trying cancel falling momentum, using more thrust, and making even more heat.

So many people are so used to muscle memory 'brute forcing' past the overheat that now they are unable to properly fly with the new overheat restriction.

While the change to the jet pack does dampen the over powered 'fly anywhere' ability (which mind you, still took skill to do pre-nerf!), it did cause me to eye the heat gauge way too much. I guess if I followed the audio cue more it might make more sense, but I have to unlearn my past jet pack movement style to get that far. Honestly, I don't like having to have my eyes glue to the heat bar just to fly.

Edit: An important note on the original topic. Just swim to the Neutrino Detector and then dive a little and swim up fast while tapping jump. With a few attempts, you should be able to get high enough to use the jet pack and get up to where you need to. And as far as I know, you are safe on the surface of the water.

[Gaming_Bigfoot]

Originally posted by MechWarden:

I also tested it with heavy armor (Crystalline set) after I got the feel for it, and still got it to work.
And yes, I think you discovered movement tech that few have figured out, mainly because they never need to figure it out until now.

You should be able to clear that entire gap even when fully overencumbered, for what it's worth to know. The initial takeoff method is what matters most here.

Originally posted by MechWarden:

There seems to either be a minimum heat gain per button press or a thrust ramp up curve that carries 'thermal momentum' that you have to perfectly time to get the best performance.
I guess if I followed the audio cue more it might make more sense, but

My understanding of the jetpack is as follows:
After starting to fly, heat will be generated in packets. These packets are in fixed time-allotment/heat-gen amounts, regardless of how much or little thrust is applied within said packet. Cooling, however, operates as intuitively expected. Apply too little thrust, and you waste thrust potential within a heat packet; apply too much, and you enter another packet and need to account for it as such.
Follow the audio cue, experiment with it. The first packet is the easiest one to feel the length of for me, given that you have the most control of what you're all hearing at that moment.
Alternatively, you'd need a great sense of timing, or possibly a third-party tool/tracker, to get the absolute most of it, but at that point we're talking speedrunning and/or TAS-type strategy which is a bit overkill.

[Hooman]

Originally posted by Golden Dragon:

Originally posted by Hooman:

You don't use the jetpack to get there, there is an underwater tunnel you are meant to use. There's several computers that talk about how the facility in the water has been flooded and is being overtaken by the reservoir growth, as well as someone even saying you can't get there because of the collapsed buildings. This is supposed to tell you "Hey, what if I just swam under and went there?"

Do it the intended way and use the scuba suit. Then do what I did and put a rope plant on the side of the tower so you can access it easier from the water.

Which is extremely ugly, as the ‘clear view’ of the waters still doesn't work even with goggles.

to find these tunnels blindly..... good luck.

Fym "extremely ugly." It's still fairly clear and y'know, just look around with your flashlight/NV goggles maybe as well? Or, and really consider this part; Make soup that lets you see underwater better if you have a problem with it.

Are you nearly blind underwater? Yes, that's the point, it's murky. But also a pretty good method of figuring out where to go is to have this thing called a sense of direction. Figure out places you have or haven't been, explore them, go one by one until you find something like the rest of the game.

Also, "find these tunnels blindly" implies that the main tunnel is somehow not connected to the largest building down there, the one you'd probably find first if you actually enter the reservoir growth location. It's absolutely gigantic and you can see it pretty easily.

[burger boy]

Originally posted by MechWarden:

Originally posted by Gaming_Bigfoot:

Makes it all the funnier that I got over there using that method and was none the wiser of the water section. To that end, never got to experience the pre-nerf jetpack but it definitely has the capacity to do it in its current form.


It takes the cube as well to do it from there but it's absolutely doable.

Seeing both of these has me wondering if I've learned movement tech that others haven't so far...

Not going to lie, I was wondering what is going on as well. I was able to fly around more or less just fine post-nerf in IS 0083, and I never ran into anything particularly bad during normal use. However, IS 0083 did feel a bit... floaty, especial with the gravity cube trinket.

But just to verify (as a good scientist should), I did try to fly to the Neutrino Detector and in fact I couldn't make the flight without touching the water in the way I was used to operating the jet pack. I would fall into the water less than half way there and after that I couldn't fly again more times than not, despite being able to before the nerf.

So I learned a couple things. First one is that if you overheat while over water, you are sunk. The game requires you to stand on solid dry ground for you to use your jet pack again. Another is that there are even more quirks annoying quirks to the jet pack heat system than I realized.
(also means my 2nd set of ideas on how they worked are wrong )

I did manage to do it not only fly to the Neutrino Detector, but I did it near water level, meaning I also was able to gain height. With some practice and looking at the heat gauge like a hawk (rather than where I was flying!), I finally was able to semi-reliably fly the distance back. I also tested it with heavy armor (Crystalline set) after I got the feel for it, and still got it to work.

And yes, I think you discovered movement tech that few have figured out, mainly because they never need to figure it out until now.

So I'm not sure how to even put this in words. The heat gauge behavior more unintuitive to other heat gauges I've been used to before. There seems to either be a minimum heat gain per button press or a thrust ramp up curve that carries 'thermal momentum' that you have to perfectly time to get the best performance. In either case, that mean rapid fire feathering of the throttle will end your flight real quick. This also generates an unworkable amount of heat if you do slightly wrong, as you can get into a bad feedback look of trying cancel falling momentum, using more thrust, and making even more heat.

So many people are so used to muscle memory 'brute forcing' past the overheat that now they are unable to properly fly with the new overheat restriction.

While the change to the jet pack does dampen the over powered 'fly anywhere' ability (which mind you, still took skill to do pre-nerf!), it did cause me to eye the heat gauge way too much. I guess if I followed the audio cue more it might make more sense, but I have to unlearn my past jet pack movement style to get that far. Honestly, I don't like having to have my eyes glue to the heat bar just to fly.

Edit: An important note on the original topic. Just swim to the Neutrino Detector and then dive a little and swim up fast while tapping jump. With a few attempts, you should be able to get high enough to use the jet pack and get up to where you need to. And as far as I know, you are safe on the surface of the water.

on the note of momentum, here's what i've found out:
-- your in-air horizontal momentum, remains the same as the moment you leave the ground .
-- somewhere between 0.5 and 1.5 seconds, seems to be the " temporarily safe " burst range for each use of the jetpack to maintain vertical, progressive momentum, until the heat catches up.
-- the gravicube trinkets are essential to getting any even remotely worthwhile momentum from the jetpack. ( unsure if the effect stacks per trinket, though i do use 2 to be certain. ).
-- interestingly, your held item determines how fast you run up to, and each item has different speeds. ( from what i can tell, the combat knife seems to provide the most running speed. ).
-- to workaround some of the overnerf on the jetpack, you can start off your flight with the boost from having the gravicubes equipped, and using an launchpad, or super launchpad. ( thankfully figuring that out, allowed me to continue progressing in my exploration adventures. ).

if you find any other info that might be helpful, then please do let us know, for the sake of continued enjoyment of the game, we must surpass the overnerfs.

[BobboilDandee]

I Apologize I didn't know about the underwater tunnel system. I originally used the jetpack to get there.

It's a real pain in the but now just to reach this area. I really hope they make the jetpack the same again. Or at the very least let us activate a later once we have completed the underwater section so we don't need to do it every single time.