Are Rise and Voussoir portal worlds?

[Iraneth The Goat]

they seem too be on earth, as the Order is there by other means then the portals. And both look like they take place on earth.
Even Voussoir info states the Order Blocked off all other ways in and out, implying the roads we see do in fact to somewhere.

However they are tagged as Portal Worlds but that just does not seem correct. Day and night do not seem to effect them other then Gate power. The sun never goes down in either location and they do also reset like a normal portal world but it seems it's implied they are not.

What do you guys think?

[Monokuma]

Flathills and Furniture Store are also on Earth. The portals don't necessarily take you to other worlds, and Gate has used them for logistics in the past.

[Iraneth The Goat]

I know Flathill is real, but I thought furniture store was a portal world

[Rae Nidae]

Originally posted by Goat ( Stinky ):

I know Flathill is real, but I thought furniture store was a portal world

Furniture Store is described as being a "potential future of Earth" from what I recall

[Monokuma]

Originally posted by Rae Nidae:

Originally posted by Goat ( Stinky ):

I know Flathill is real, but I thought furniture store was a portal world

Furniture Store is described as being a "potential future of Earth" from what I recall

Yeah, in Boston. Still technically Earth though

[LootZ]

Originally posted by Goat ( Stinky ):

I know Flathill is real, but I thought furniture store was a portal world

You're correct, Flathill is on Earth in their current time, and Furniture Store is indeed an anteverse (Anteverse 23), representing an alternate future of Earth in Boston, where IS-102 has broken free of containment and spread in the wild, but it's not what's currently happening in the current reality (yet?)

[Iraneth The Goat]

My point being, I thought portal worlds where just that, portal worlds, yet is seems some of them are on earth in the same timeline yet can also reset?

[RedPine]

Originally posted by Goat ( Stinky ):

My point being, I thought portal worlds where just that, portal worlds, yet is seems some of them are on earth in the same timeline yet can also reset?

It seems to violate the law of conservation of energy, and probably a few others, but DOES neatly resolve retroactive causality. Sure, you can go to the past - or a portal world replicating the circumstances of the past - but it will just reset without any consequences to the original world or timeline (aside from renewable loot).

There's still quite a bit of fuzziness, vagueness, and deliberate mystery about all this. For example, the portals into alternate areas/timelines of earth are involved in resets, but 'exiting' those instances to return to the lab results in no resets (that we are aware of).

Only 'unnoccupied' worlds reset, so maybe the surviving scientists have a stabilizing effect on timelines just by existing. More surviving scientists are in the facility than anywhere else, so that's the most stable place. The residents of each portal world, be they anomalies or ordo, seem to reset (but can sometimes spawn in new locations, or wander to new locations as a consequence of player actions that permanently impact a portal world?).

People that leave portal worlds do so permanently, with no examples of being replicated the way loot is. People other than the player that escape as a result of player actions would likely impact the behavior of permanent residents through their absence.

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This does mean that portals aren't a means of fast travel, at least the kinds that wind up with time looping. If you want to ship stuff from V Mountain to Cascade, you'd need to already be at V Mt before the perforation was made, then travel through the portal before it resets... I think? Do portals at a POI persist after the time period where the perforation resets?

If so, there are some interestingly logistical complications. For example, present day people could travel from Mt V to Cascade, but you couldn't escape from Cascade to Mt V due to being stuck in the past.

Speaking of, if you made a new portal to an existing POI every 3 days, and you sent a scientist to stabilize each one, you'd have 3 similar alternate worlds that didn't interact with eachother but would progress in their separate timelines as long as said scientists survived.

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This all assumes that portals and their effect on reality(s) is stable long term, which the lore heavily implies is not the case.

[Animus]

The big question here is why Leyak can follow you into the RISE portal. One instance on Reddit someone showed a picture of Leyak in Mycofields but I've never seen it there.

[Iraneth The Goat]

I've had it in Mycofields. It is like a 4D being so.

[Animus]

Originally posted by Goat ( Head empty, only baa ):

I've had it in Mycofields. It is like a 4D being so.

It can't enter Furniture Store. I made my base there and have definitely spent enough time, never seen it. I've spent a lot of time on the train as well, never seen it there. We know it can't enter Mirror world portal either.

[Shiver]

"Portal" worlds are just called that for convenience. The portals can go to places on the same earth or Anteverse. Bear in mind that portals create a time loop, so the Portal will go to the same place at a specific time.

[Scyris]

Sounds like another case of scientists messing with things they don't fully understand. Kinda like how half-life started. Going about their usual experiments but something is different this time a slight error in the calibration of the equipment and well... you seen what happened. Kinda like that jurassic park quote: "Scientists can do alot of things, but do they ever think if they really should?" I worded it wrong, as I don't remember the exact quote but its simmlar.

I mean who knows what they are messing with irl in those labs. I'd be very intersted in how they first discovered the tech they are using, as I don't think its ever mentioned how they first discovered it. Or at least up to where i've played (Just got the lv 3 keypad hacker) I don't think its been mentioned.

[Iraneth The Goat]

Originally posted by Scyris:

Sounds like another case of scientists messing with things they don't fully understand. Kinda like how half-life started. Going about their usual experiments but something is different this time a slight error in the calibration of the equipment and well... you seen what happened. Kinda like that jurassic park quote: "Scientists can do alot of things, but do they ever think if they really should?" I worded it wrong, as I don't remember the exact quote but its simmlar.

I mean who knows what they are messing with irl in those labs. I'd be very intersted in how they first discovered the tech they are using, as I don't think its ever mentioned how they first discovered it. Or at least up to where i've played (Just got the lv 3 keypad hacker) I don't think its been mentioned.

I think it was, I know Flathill was the first real test and they did it wrong that's why theres the fog and stuff.

[lentinant]

Originally posted by Goat ( de-stinkied ):

My point being, I thought portal worlds where just that, portal worlds, yet is seems some of them are on earth in the same timeline yet can also reset?

From the gameplay point of view, all locations you access through the portal are portal worlds. From the story perspective, locations like Flathill and Voussoir are on Earth, and you just teleport to them. Yes, they are also reset with the timer, but I believe there is no real explanation other than "don't worry about it", and the fact that this allows you to farm certain resources that would be finite otherwise.

[Nirvash]

I thought the portal worlds were meant to be "multiversal", so even if some of them are on earth, they might be alternate realities or different points in time. And that resetting was just the portal connecting to new variations of the same thing.