why do all of the guns suck so much?

[a bat]

Every gun I have used so far has been next to worthless. The pistol, scrap shotgun, scrap pistol, all of them suck balls. Im in a guys face with a shotgun blast and nothing happens? I shoot someone in the head with 2 clips and they kill me? They have to balance the guns better because I see no way around fighting the soldiers without guns.

The worst thing to is that I am actually preparing for these fights, I bring plenty of ammo, meds and good armor yet every single time, my guns cant kill anything.

[KDR_11k]

All weapons "suck" in this, or rather, enemies are pretty tough. The soldiers with the black helmets are stupidly tanky, the rest of them should go down pretty quickly to shotgun blasts to the face. They do get easier as you build better weapons, of course. The sheer number of soldiers is probably the biggest problem, once a fight starts they come running from a wide area so you'll quickly have to fight 6 of them which is just too much for your weaponry at that point. 3 is about the max you can handle solo.

[Weepless]

I agree the guns feel extremely weak, takes around 5 headshots from a pistol to kill one soldier, more to the body.

However I disagree with the no way around to fighting them without guns, I can go melee only up against 10+ of them AT ONCE and win quite easily, simply don't stay in the open where all can shot you at the same times, duck & weave around cover and the fight becomes a one-sided beat down to your favor.

[jxschie]

It gets waaay more feasible the more you use them and, thus, level up the associated skills. I'm at the point now where 1 headshot with the scrap shotgun kills most of the dudes. At first they do suck, but level up the skills and it gets much better.

[Aleuvian]

Originally posted by yogurt male:

Every gun I have used so far has been next to worthless. The pistol, scrap shotgun, scrap pistol, all of them suck balls. Im in a guys face with a shotgun blast and nothing happens? I shoot someone in the head with 2 clips and they kill me? They have to balance the guns better because I see no way around fighting the soldiers without guns.

The worst thing to is that I am actually preparing for these fights, I bring plenty of ammo, meds and good armor yet every single time, my guns cant kill anything.

Skip the Scrap Pistol, it's terrible in general.
Scrap Shotgun is really nice, point blank an enemy in the head then switch to melee to finish the job.

I highly recommend stunning melee weapons (fire/electric) to deal with Order troops, likewise make use of Slushie Bombs and Mugnades to deal with groups. You are a scientist, not a soldier.

Order soldiers are definitely too tanky, though. Their attacks aren't very well telegraphed and they deal massive damage. Entities are much more manageable as they have very well telegraphed attacks.

[Trellek]

Originally posted by Aleuvian:

Skip the Scrap Pistol, it's terrible in general.
Scrap Shotgun is really nice, point blank an enemy in the head then switch to melee to finish the job.

I highly recommend stunning melee weapons (fire/electric) to deal with Order troops, likewise make use of Slushie Bombs and Mugnades to deal with groups. You are a scientist, not a soldier.

Ironically, I feel the opposite way. The Scrap Pistol is vastly superior to the scrapshot. For one thing, it doesn't have durability, so it'll still fire twenty kills into a supply/exploration run. For another, it can hit things from more than ten feet away and still do more damage than a sharp business card.

Do agree about the Order though. Way too much health for the level of threat they pose. Except for the snipers, of course, who have basically no health and can instead erase you from six miles away and psychically know if they'll be able to shoot you, even when you're, y'know, behind them.

[peep]

scrap pistol is really strong but takes too much effort to use. Personally I've found all the guns fun to use and not that weak.

[Trellek]

Honestly, I feel like one thing that would help is if leveling up reloading actually had a measurable effect on reload speed. Even with maxed out Reloading skill, we reload most weapons like it's a lazy day at the range.

[baronofgames]

Forge armor set and welding spear and i make short work out of those soldiers.

[Wang]

get to manufacturing and find a fire extinguisher so you can make an air compressor
that will let you unlock the recipe for the buzzsaw launcher which makes ammo effeciently since its just metal scrap+rebar for 10 buzzsaws. 3 headshots can take down a soldier if ur aim is leveled up enough to reliably headshot.

[BIG LOU]

I think the most annoying enemy is the stupid invisible thing. He shoots one crystal spike at you that barely does any damage and then he runs like 50 feet behind a corner just to troll the ♥♥♥♥ out of the player and waste their time.

[Lancenig]

Well that changes my excitement for the game...but I guess I get it...
It's about starting with junk gear and working towards better gear...
It's just odd when it's done with guns...because we all know what a gun does to a face/head.
But this isn't real life, right? It's a video game where you start weak and feeble and level and grind and build better, more powerful things.

See, in typing this out and actually thinking about it I realized my initial take and reaction to this post changed.
Of course enemies feel tanky with your makeshift gun...at level 2

[Swiper]

I beat the game solo with the scrap pistol and fire hammer. Soldiers are easy to abuse since they filter through doors single file and you can build nades etc.

Also - are people forgetting to strafe? If you strafe while the order shoot at you (minus the sniper and shotty guy) they'll legit almost never hit you...I just strafe and shoot the scrap pistol at their face.

[a bat]

Originally posted by Lancenig:

Well that changes my excitement for the game...but I guess I get it...
It's about starting with junk gear and working towards better gear...
It's just odd when it's done with guns...because we all know what a gun does to a face/head.
But this isn't real life, right? It's a video game where you start weak and feeble and level and grind and build better, more powerful things.

See, in typing this out and actually thinking about it I realized my initial take and reaction to this post changed.
Of course enemies feel tanky with your makeshift gun...at level 2

Dude im not asking for the guns to insta kill but you're better off throwing shivs. If guns are so hard to come by and ammo is scarce, at the very least make them somewhat usable

[Swiper]

Originally posted by yogurt male:

Originally posted by Lancenig:

Well that changes my excitement for the game...but I guess I get it...
It's about starting with junk gear and working towards better gear...
It's just odd when it's done with guns...because we all know what a gun does to a face/head.
But this isn't real life, right? It's a video game where you start weak and feeble and level and grind and build better, more powerful things.

See, in typing this out and actually thinking about it I realized my initial take and reaction to this post changed.
Of course enemies feel tanky with your makeshift gun...at level 2

Dude im not asking for the guns to insta kill but you're better off throwing shivs. If guns are so hard to come by and ammo is scarce, at the very least make them somewhat usable

You can pretty much farm 9mm ammo easily off the soldiers.

[Burning like KELT-9b]

yea, i definitely hate how order soldiers need several headshots to down them when i used scrap pistol. way too tanky for the amount of loot it drops. ranged weapons really suck balls when you dont have the skills early on; somehow you can throw spears with almost pinpoint accuracy but shooting someone with a handgun just several meters away? hand tremors like an ADHD. i fare better now that i have the grinder but i do wish that firearms have a little bit of "Oomph" into it if you wanna make the ammo scarce or at least make the ammo drops more if not. not to mention how stupid it is to stat gate the firearms if in the end they will still perform poorly compared to the makeshift guns you made when you reach that state, while also having no ammo if you decide to use it.

also, anyone tried "killing" the HMG nest overlooking the crane? i managed to get into there and what i saw is a Gun shooting on is own lmao. i cant even try getting behind it because it will automatically swing behind and shoot.