(SPOILERS) Canon Fate of Survivors?

[The Alchemist]

Hey guys - I'm curious.

So far I'm on the right track for the A-Ending/Overtime mode, but something kind of has me down.

On the walkie-talkie, Jessie tells Frank that the Spec-Ops Forces are on their way to "eliminate everyone" zombies, and humans alike.

To be fair they give Jessie a chance to accept their custody, but I'm assuming they only do this because she is a DHS agent and can keep her mouth shut about the situation.

I rescued 26 different survivors - there's no way Spec-Ops would let them live and risk the secret of the zombie infection getting out to the public.

In Otis' note, he mentions how he stole a Spec-Ops helicopter when he realized Spec-Ops were coming into the mall and "snatching people up".

So I'm assuming then all those survivors parished? Although canon - it's a major bummer; technically speaking, most of the "lesser" endings see the survivors escape.

So much for nothing :(

[Reversinator]

The second someone (most likely Frank West) spoke out about the zombie infestation in Willamette, everyone would have been looking for any other survivors and the government would have been hard-pressed to avoid killing off the others.

[LWRabbit]

Messaggio originale di Servebotfrank:

My theory is that the special forces came in and were rounding folks up to the Helicopter for processing. Otis saw this and waited for the squad to go talk to Jessie. Then picked up everyone in the Helicopter and booked it on out of there. It felt odd to me that no other Spec Ops dudes came to help those two out with Jessie, but that leads me to believe that they were the only ones in the Security Room. They probably just lied to the Survivors and told them all to get to the roof and they'll get them out of there, Otis knew better and just stole the chopper instead.

I like that theory, but it has one little problem - it gives Otis no time to leave the note in the Security Office for Frank. I doubt the Special Forces in the room with Jessie would just watch Otis write a note and leave it on the desk. Or if they did, they are definitely going to read it as soon as he does, and tackle him to the ground as he heads towards the roof.

[Joe Winko]

i honestly do not believed they all died. I think they all lived after you saved them even though they were taken captive by the military. i think the military made them sign a gag order to keep quiet in ending A, but later on they released them but they had to not talk about the zombie incident (no one would probably believe them anyway).

theyre all counted as 'safe' even after being evacuated by the swat team, and the military also dont instantly kill frank either, even when he tries to escape. So i don't think they all died, unless the creator of the game confirms it.

ALSO in Dead Rising 2 off the record, frank west actually battles Adam's brother and adam's brother even states that there were "witnesses" in the Willamette incident who saw frank west kill adam the clown.

So no, i don't think the survivors are dead so no reason to be bummed out :) i still prefer ending B though, but after you complete Case 8 and let "the facts"/"memories" expire, the story and the truth it's self are basically resolved.

Carlito is Dead and the truth about Santa Cabeza is finally revealed. Yeah, Brock never gets killed, but i thought that was a good enough way to end it without throwing the whole "frank west and jessie are infected even though they didnt get bitten" thing in....

[Joe Winko]

Messaggio originale di Nevander:

Maybe they kept them as safe so that people didn't get cheated out of their rightly earned Saint achievement. That would be lame to go through all the effort and then they all die from the Special Forces.

You actually can't get the 'saint' achievement if you make it to ending A because in order to get the saint achievement you need to get 50 survivors out of the mall.

there are 54 survivors total, including Brad, Jessie, Isabella, Dr. Barnaby, and Frank West himself.

In ending A Brad and Jessie are dead so they don't count on the survivor chart
and Isabella and Frank are left behind so they don't count on the survivor chart either, even though they're still alive.

so that leaves you with 49 survivors in ending A so you can't get saint in ending A at all.

[Chard]

Messaggio originale di Joe Winko:

Messaggio originale di Nevander:

Maybe they kept them as safe so that people didn't get cheated out of their rightly earned Saint achievement. That would be lame to go through all the effort and then they all die from the Special Forces.

You actually can't get the 'saint' achievement if you make it to ending A because in order to get the saint achievement you need to get 50 survivors out of the mall.

there are 54 survivors total, including Brad, Jessie, Isabella, Dr. Barnaby, and Frank West himself.

In ending A Brad and Jessie are dead so they don't count on the survivor chart
and Isabella and Frank are left behind so they don't count on the survivor chart either, even though they're still alive.

so that leaves you with 49 survivors in ending A so you can't get saint in ending A at all.

Actually that's not entirely true. You will have 49 survivors listed at the end of ending A, BUT if you play on through Overtime mode on that save then Isabella counts and you will unlock saint (that's how I did it)

[DrNewcenstein]

Jessie was bitten by Dr Barnaby.

They're counted as "Safe" in Frank's journal when he takes them to the Security Room. Anything after that is irrelevant to how they're marked in his journal, unless you don't prevent the mutinies, and they're marked as Missing.

Jessie had not yet turned until the SpecOps tried to collect her. It's assumed they were dropped on the roof while the choppers continued to recon the area, and wipe out whatever they found in the park, as well as dropping in the rest of the soldiers through the roofs around the mall, along with Brock.

IIRC you can hear screaming along with the gunfire over Frank's radio (or was it just zombie moans?)
Either way, Otis was able to snatch a chopper and take a few survivors with him.

SOP would be to drop the two guys on the roof to collect Jessie and wait for the operation to be completed, then return to the helipad when Brock gave the order to withdraw, as the security room was proven to be safe.

So, you have Otis hearing the radio chatter from Jessie, so he hides a few survivors as best he can - outside on the rooftop, stuffs them in lockers, or maybe they do land a chopper for evac and the pilot and co-pilot are the two that Jessie kills. Otis and a few survivors skip the wait and take a chance, while the rest decide to wait for the soldiers.

In an operation, there's a plan, and if that chopper lifts off without announcing the outcome of their mission, it's assumed to be rogue and shot down, especially where a contagious outbreak is concerned.
But still, he somehow managed to elude the trained pilots in the other choppers and escape with just a few (what's "a few" out of 50? 7? 10? those choppers can hold maybe 10 adults including crew).

At any rate, it's irrelevant because Carlito's orphans were already out there.

[Chard]

You can and do lose people in your journal after they've been escorted to the safe room. Anybody who hasn't fed Ronald knows that. Silly or not everybody gets out with Otis. This game is super polished and pays attention to the details, if Otis were meant to be the only one who escaped, I guarantee that everybody else would be marked "lost"

Plus there's the fact that you can still get saint after overtime mode.

[DrNewcenstein]

I did specifically mention the mutinies. That includes Ronald and his food riot.

In OT mode, Isabela is the only one left and counts towards Saint.

Otis' note specifically says "some" of the survivors, not "all".

Everyone you saved prior to OT mode is marked "Safe" as long as you've avoided Ronald's food uprising and the other guy's mutiny. That doesn't mean they were not later killed by the military, as Frank's journal is not concerned with their fate after the arrival of the special forces.

[Plankton]

If you think about it to, Jesse and Brad both worked as DHS agents when you drop into the game and somehow Dr. Barnaby conducted Zombie Bee's with Carlito and Isabela to cover up the incident by a Drug coverup from Santa Cabeza.

[DrNewcenstein]

Carlito and Isabela survived Santa Cabeza and hunted Barnaby down after the incident.
The DHS hid Barnaby in Willamette to keep him safe from any possible Santa Cabeza fallout.
Jessie and Brad were sent to Willamette to retrieve Barnaby, as he was the one who called DHS about the outbreak in Willamette.
Carlito sent out invitations to the Press to witness his plan of revenge for Santa Cabeza, which is why he asks Frank if he was the only one who came.
Carlito was hoping to either kill Branaby in the transfer or get him infected when he left his safe space.
The Zombie Wasps in Willamette were brought there by Carlito.

[Vile]

It’s not really a downer. Most likely, Otis and Greg hijacked a helicopter and left once they heard the military was coming and they wouldn’t be friendly. The note was left for Frank cause the transmitter line had been hijacked.

It’s most likely that the survivors were escorted by the military at the heliport to a quarantine area. The “sick” bald guy that has a bite, Leah (the mom that lost her baby), and the girl that wanted to die cause she was bit, were all most likely killed to prevent further contamination.

As for the others, they most likely were interrogated and let go after the quarantine area. The survivors don’t know how the outbreak happened and so killing them wouldn’t have made any sense. Jesse was one person that could be monitored cause she knew how the outbreak happened. Had Brad lived, he would have been offered the same offer.

Carlito would have been killed anyway and he knew that he wasn’t making it out of Willamete alive. He didn’t even want to live anymore outside of helping Isabella, after she “betrayed him”, he didn’t want to live anymore. We know Isabella was used to help Phenotrans develop Zombrex (Case West).

[DonutNebula]

I believe Otis got everyone out because it would feel pointless to save everyone if you know they're all going to die, plus when you look in the room and all around their no signs that they were killed, no blood or bodies and I doubt they would take their bodies away but none of the others. Plus since they do capture Frank I'll bet they brought them for interrogation. I feel like the order to kill zombies and people refers to the people outside the security room (missed survivors and psychopaths) and the ones inside escaped probably with the help of Otis

[Uncle Al]

From a logical perspective, you can say which ones didn't make it or not.

Let's start with the CONFIRMED deaths.

Leah: You can see she's been bitten on her left leg, which is why Frank has to carry her, she's delusional, and already has a zombie like pose. Chances are she turns shortly after escaping or is shot by Spec Ops outright to avoid contagion.

Simone: Even more obvious, she not only tells you she's bit, she asks for a gun to eat. An armed survivor wtth no reason to live and a bunch of trigger happy spec ops is a bad combo, Simone is also shot and killed.

Leroy: Same as Simone, he's bit.

Ross: If Brad almost died of gangrene after 1 9mm to the shoulder, Ross, whose waist was paralized? Very low chances of survival, which means that if he dies...

Tonya: She isn't gonna leave her man behind.

Now, from a logical standpoint, at least THESE people would make it out.

Greg: I don't see Otis leaving the only friend he has left (Frank and Co. don't count) behind. That also means he was probably in Otis' funeral in DR3, so uh, that kinda makes him a confirmed casualty, albeit on a later outbreak.

The ♥♥♥ Tourists (Yuu and Shinji): Yes, it was in OTR, yes, OTR's not canon, but still, "witness reports of a reporter" could perfectly be canon. No outright source saying "NO."



Everyone else's up on the air, some people I don't see really trusting the military, like Kindell and the Gun shop survivors and getting shot because of it, but there's a chance they were all being herded into helicopters for processing and no one had a chance to revel and get everyone killed as a result, as another poster said. Still, they're up in the air, maybe they lived, maybe they were also in Otis' funeral in DR3 and you killed them good and dandy, maybe they all got old and died (At least some will probably do).

[Ein]

Hi I'm going to chime in with my theory and it isn't a sad one! So personal I think a handful of agents arrived for Jessica, cause clearly she would tell them that she has survivors with her. I think they would start to detain them and transport them out of the mall. There have been many people who survives the Willamette outbreak, Anim White lost his family in the Willamette Incident. Though it doesn't say he was in it, but I'd like to say he must have been with his family and ended up being the sole survivor.

"But they were going to come in at midnight and kill everyone" True but this was before midnight, and these are DHS agents after all. So they could have easily gained access to this area, and on top of that it's confirmed that they didn't kill any of the survivors, as Otis says himself 'While you were out, some crazy people snuck in from the rooftop and started snatchin' people.' Clearly this means that there was more than one helicopter that came in, clearly they had permission too!

"So what happened to the survivors then?" Like I said before they probably got detained and were forced a gag order on the whole situation.

"Okay what about Leah, Simone, Leroy, Ross" So let's start off with Ross, getting shot isn't the worst thing in the world, clearly off screen he got medical attention or else he would have died. Not only that Isabela probably took a look over at him!

Leah, She got bit in the leg seemingly on the first day of the game, and she didn't 'turn' at all through these next couple of days unlike T.K in DR2 who turns in only a couple of hours.

Simone and Leroy are found on the last day and they both were bitten. let's assume that they were bitten that day. But Simone seems to be turning as his speech isn't that great...

Now it's easy to assume that they were either killed or turned! But if you guys read the comics you'll find out that Isabela was arrested after the events of dead rising 1 and forced to work on a cure right away. So Frank, Leah, Simon, and Leroy (plus probably unnamed survivors who escaped) all were probably the first people to live off of zombrex!

So yes I think everyone lived.