Tactical Hardcore Crouch Servers

[Furbodo]

Ok I know that people like this gamemode or whatever you want to call that ♥♥♥♥, but its getting out of hand. The fact that they run the servers in the ranked list is infuriating. If I click play ranked and get thrown in one of those things only to get kicked out for playing CoD the correct way so be it. BUT getting yelled at or screamed at in voice because I had no idea the server was for that is unreasonable. No rules popped on the left of the screen in chat.

Server admins of this servers need to realize that throwing these into the ranked lists of servers will only make it difficult to play the way they want to. Further more they need to be more understanding of the issue. All I got today was yelling and screaming "HES NOT CROUCHING!" in voices by what sounded like thierty year old men. If you don't want to play CoD the correct way for how the developers intended then why play it at all.

A little feedback on this would be nice.

[1amfr3e]

I have been through this.
it does get out of hand and gets out of hand fast, I have been put into a server that was Crouch only, only to get yelled at and then ban. I do believe that Crouch only servers are a waste of time, so what I have done is just leave. I have been through countless arguments on Crouch only servers. This same words keep popping up and those words are Crouch servers is for more tactical players who want to play the game more competitively and want to play the game the way it was meant to be played. I have been told that Crouch only servers are for the true gamer if you don't like Crouch servers then you are not a gamer and should not be playing any games.

I have also been told that Crouch servers are for new people to the game who have not yet learned the controls yet for the game. I have been told so many things about Crouch servers that it comes down to people in the Crouch only servers suck. I have asked a few people in the Crouch only servers why do they Crouch and not run a lot of them have answered saying it's the right way to play and the only way to play.

so all in all Crouch only servers are for people's eyesight and hand coordination are well below a four-year-olds.

[Furbodo]

Originally posted by ~IG~ Turk.:

I have been through this.
it does get out of hand and gets out of hand fast, I have been put into a server that was Crouch only, only to get yelled at and then ban. I do believe that Crouch only servers are a waste of time, so what I have done is just leave. I have been through countless arguments on Crouch only servers. This same words keep popping up and those words are Crouch servers is for more tactical players who want to play the game more competitively and want to play the game the way it was meant to be played. I have been told that Crouch only servers are for the true gamer if you don't like Crouch servers then you are not a gamer and should not be playing any games.

I have also been told that Crouch servers are for new people to the game who have not yet learned the controls yet for the game. I have been told so many things about Crouch servers that it comes down to people in the Crouch only servers suck. I have asked a few people in the Crouch only servers why do they Crouch and not run a lot of them have answered saying it's the right way to play and the only way to play.

so all in all Crouch only servers are for people's eyesight and hand coordination are well below a four-year-olds.

Yea it seems that when I was getting screamed at for not crouching or such it was a older man. Leading me to believe that it was a CoD player from the days of Call of Duty 2 or WaW. These people seem to believe that CoD is a tactical game. If you have a slow mindset and have no skill with shooters is that CrouchTac is for you. If it was the only way to play Call of Duty then why do the devs design the game to what it is now. The end product is what they entended, nothing less or more. If they seek a more "tactical experience" they need to go play Battlefield or Ghost Recon. Those games are more or less tactical.

My main concern is the fact that Search and Destroy is VERY tactical. I ran a competitive team on XBL, strickly SnD and Domination. Then moved on to Blops 2 Hardpoint. That is besides the point. The real thing is that these servers are wrongly kicking and banning and flagging players that simply walk in and play Call of Duty. Call of Duty at it's heart is a Run-and-Gun FPS. Why are people trying to pull tactics out of this game where they do not exist.

These grown men of this generation, my generation, need to realize the evolution of gaming and what is the new standard.

[Joe Cool]

Forcing people to crouch everywhere they go is NOT tactical in ANY way shape or form.

Crouch only servers exist for one reason and one reason only, because people who like them CAN'T AIM!

The entire point of crouch only is NOT to make it tactical, it's the slow everyone down to a crawl so that it becomes SUPER easy to camp and rack up kills on slow moving players. Most crouch only veterans spend their time in-game camping the exits of spawnpoints, making it so beyond easy to rack up 30-40-50+ kills per life that even a brain dead monkey could do it.

That's why crouch players get SO upset when someone isn't crouching, because once you start running and moving quickly, it becomes almost impossible for them to compete. Their reflexes, aim, and ability to think have been so ridiculously dumbed down from playing crouch (aka CoD easymode) that they are COMPLETELY helpless when playing the game correctly.

The worst part is the fact that the horribad server setup is what encourages these bad admins to place their easymode kiddie servers in the ranked list. Treyarch intentionally fubar'd their servers for Black Ops specifically to encourage "bad admin" complaints. This is further proven by the fact that they first told server owners to simply use kicking to enforce rules, then they changed their stance when Bo2 was coming and said that they were dropping community dedi's because they didn't like people enforcing their own rules via kicking.

So they told admins to enforce their own rules by using the kick feature, then claimed they never wanted admins to use kicking to enforce rules. Giving them plenty of "bad admin" complaints and the perfect reason to not include community servers in any future CoD titles.

Call of Duty died the day they introduced matchmaking in Modern Warfare 2.

[Furbodo]

Originally posted by MoFo™:

Forcing people to crouch everywhere they go is NOT tactical in ANY way shape or form.

Crouch only servers exist for one reason and one reason only, because people who like them CAN'T AIM!

The entire point of crouch only is NOT to make it tactical, it's the slow everyone down to a crawl so that it becomes SUPER easy to camp and rack up kills on slow moving players. Most crouch only veterans spend their time in-game camping the exits of spawnpoints, making it so beyond easy to rack up 30-40-50+ kills per life that even a brain dead monkey could do it.

That's why crouch players get SO upset when someone isn't crouching, because once you start running and moving quickly, it becomes almost impossible for them to compete. Their reflexes, aim, and ability to think have been so ridiculously dumbed down from playing crouch (aka CoD easymode) that they are COMPLETELY helpless when playing the game correctly.

The best explanation yet on why people play those severs.

[Brandownage]

I know, what is the enjoyment in it? I'm pretty tired of them myself. I have played them before and they are SO boring. This game and all cod-like games are meant for fast pace, paintball-like, game modes. Not playing ctf, and never being able to capture the flag cause youre moving at 2mph around and a camper in a corner with a shotgun kills you when you walk through the door... They have infested the servers for some time now. I like the ability to have custom servers like the 24/7 stuff, but honestly, this is so out of hand. Wish they'ed have just made it a matchmaking game instead at this rate. What's worse is the admins of nearly every one treat their job as admin as if it is their main source of income. It's even worse on World At War. Nearly every multiplayer server that was up the other day, was a crouch server aside from one normal one. It sucks so much.

[Furbodo]

Originally posted by Brandownage27:

I know, what is the enjoyment in it? I'm pretty tired of them myself. I have played them before and they are SO boring. This game and all cod-like games are meant for fast pace, paintball-like, game modes. Not playing ctf, and never being able to capture the flag cause youre moving at 2mph around and a camper in a corner with a shotgun kills you when you walk through the door... They have infested the servers for some time now. I like the ability to have custom servers like the 24/7 stuff, but honestly, this is so out of hand. Wish they'ed have just made it a matchmaking game instead at this rate. What's worse is the admins of nearly every one treat their job as admin as if it is their main source of income. It's even worse on World At War. Nearly every multiplayer server that was up the other day, was a crouch server aside from one normal one. It sucks so much.

If it was just a matchmaking service then the game would be plagued by hckers. A matchmaking service was used to take away dedicated servers. Without dedicated servers hackers spread like a disease. Look at MW2 or any other match maker.

[Brandownage]

Originally posted by Furbodo:

Originally posted by Brandownage27:

I know, what is the enjoyment in it? I'm pretty tired of them myself. I have played them before and they are SO boring. This game and all cod-like games are meant for fast pace, paintball-like, game modes. Not playing ctf, and never being able to capture the flag cause youre moving at 2mph around and a camper in a corner with a shotgun kills you when you walk through the door... They have infested the servers for some time now. I like the ability to have custom servers like the 24/7 stuff, but honestly, this is so out of hand. Wish they'ed have just made it a matchmaking game instead at this rate. What's worse is the admins of nearly every one treat their job as admin as if it is their main source of income. It's even worse on World At War. Nearly every multiplayer server that was up the other day, was a crouch server aside from one normal one. It sucks so much.

If it was just a matchmaking service then the game would be plagued by hckers. A matchmaking service was used to take away dedicated servers. Without dedicated servers hackers spread like a disease. Look at MW2 or any other match maker.

Oh, please. Matchmaking is only a way the server is established. It has absolutely nothing to do with hackers or lack thereof. Have you not played Mw1? That game has rampant hackers and aimbotters. I am looking at MW2, and I've found more hackers on BO1 than MW2 easily at least on PC. Console, is a different story however but as far as PC gaming goes there are more on BO1. Look at advanced warfare. There are little to no hackers on there either, and that is a matchmaking game. I have yet to see 1 aimbot or exploiter on that game and i'm up to 80-something hours on multiplayer, and those who try, get VAC banned, such as yourself, lmao.

[Furbodo]

Originally posted by Brandownage27:

Originally posted by Furbodo:

If it was just a matchmaking service then the game would be plagued by hckers. A matchmaking service was used to take away dedicated servers. Without dedicated servers hackers spread like a disease. Look at MW2 or any other match maker.

Oh, please. Matchmaking is only a way the server is established. It has absolutely nothing to do with hackers or lack thereof. Have you not played Mw1? That game has rampant hackers and aimbotters. I am looking at MW2, and I've found more hackers on BO1 than MW2 easily at least on PC. Console, is a different story however but as far as PC gaming goes there are more on BO1. Look at advanced warfare. There are little to no hackers on there either, and that is a matchmaking game. I have yet to see 1 aimbot or exploiter on that game and i'm up to 80-something hours on multiplayer, and those who try, get VAC banned, such as yourself, lmao.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ please. Do you even know how the hacks work. They work to force you as host first. Then they break out the real mods. Don't come on to a thread and talk like you know how any of it works.

Even with my VAC ban from Advanced Warfare, that was because of a hacked lobby MATCHMAKING put me into. That system is complete garbage. I played AW in the first 24hrs it was out. That game, just like ghosts when it released, was hacked by day one. Only because they are still using the old game engine that is still compatible with the old hacks AND the peer-to-peer matchmaking system that they use has players host the games.Try to find a zero lag server lower than 100 ping with a matchmaking system. With dedicated servers I get 19 ping. If I was to turn on my old xb360 and load up Black Ops that uses a matchmaking service to find a game I am willing bet that it will have at least one person with either a fake rank by hacks or an infection that gives them a infinite hailstorm of mortar fire. And btw exploiters are no hackers, or even close to aimbots. They are taking advantage of bad game code.
Quit talking out your ass kid.

EDIT: In all the time I've played BO1 on PC I have never seen a hacker/modder.

[Brandownage]

Originally posted by Furbodo:

Originally posted by Brandownage27:

Oh, please. Matchmaking is only a way the server is established. It has absolutely nothing to do with hackers or lack thereof. Have you not played Mw1? That game has rampant hackers and aimbotters. I am looking at MW2, and I've found more hackers on BO1 than MW2 easily at least on PC. Console, is a different story however but as far as PC gaming goes there are more on BO1. Look at advanced warfare. There are little to no hackers on there either, and that is a matchmaking game. I have yet to see 1 aimbot or exploiter on that game and i'm up to 80-something hours on multiplayer, and those who try, get VAC banned, such as yourself, lmao.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ please. Do you even know how the hacks work. They work to force you as host first. Then they break out the real mods. Don't come on to a thread and talk like you know how any of it works.

Even with my VAC ban from Advanced Warfare, that was because of a hacked lobby MATCHMAKING put me into. That system is complete garbage. I played AW in the first 24hrs it was out. That game, just like ghosts when it released, was hacked by day one. Only because they are still using the old game engine that is still compatible with the old hacks AND the peer-to-peer matchmaking system that they use has players host the games.Try to find a zero lag server lower than 100 ping with a matchmaking system. With dedicated servers I get 19 ping. If I was to turn on my old xb360 and load up Black Ops that uses a matchmaking service to find a game I am willing bet that it will have at least one person with either a fake rank by hacks or an infection that gives them a infinite hailstorm of mortar fire. And btw exploiters are no hackers, or even close to aimbots. They are taking advantage of bad game code.
Quit talking out your ass kid.

EDIT: In all the time I've played BO1 on PC I have never seen a hacker/modder.

Ghosts wasnt hacked to the degree you're making it sound, not even close, and neither was AW, wtf XD, Did you even play these games at launch? Again, maybe on console, but you must be severely misinformed to honestly believe that garbage about PC in the longevity of these games' lifespans. Luckily, we arent talking about console, so what happens when you load up your 360 is of no relevance. All you're proving is how little you actually know about these games lol. And find a low lag server on matchmaking? Are you stupid, or are you honestly just ignorant to how these games work? Load up black ops 2, hit "Find Game", and press S, then set your desired ping to find a match under that limit. Bam. Done. Unless you live in ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Cambodia feeding wifi from walmart, you'll have no problems finding a server under 100 ping. Yeah, no brainer, you get better connectivity with dedicated servers, everyone would benefit from that aside from the company itself who has to pay extra out of pocket for them, but 19 ping? lol I'm doubting that severely. I have not played with someone yet I've seen below 30, so you are either over exadurating to try to prove a lost point, or live in a 200 mile radius of where the dedicated server is hosting from. I'm going to just assume the first because I live in Tampa, and when I connect to servers based in Atlanta i'll hit 50-60 ping going off of an ethernet connected, 100 down/50 up network. Also, the fact that you even said "zero lag" is kind of staggering, as that is impossibru.

I'm not saying that you'll run into hackers every day on any of these games, nor am I saying that you for sure will not, because again, some idiot somewhere will try it and they may succeed, or they may fail and get VAC banned, typically the second as your account is proof. Also, isnt that what every VAC banned person does? Comes on these forums and claims "They didnt do it," "got banned for nothing," or "dont know why they got banned," and basically states how someone else did it by choice and forced everyone simply because of being in the wrong place at the wrong time? Yeah, okay... no. I havent seen, or heard of anyone on Steam getting VAC banend for THEM doing nothing. If the system catches you, or valve employee gives you it, you deserved it. Spin whatever story you want, no one will believe you. My friends and I played Advanced warfare for weeks straight at launch and if that ♥♥♥♥ happened theres not a doubt at least one of us would have seen it. Now, you're just flat out lying... No servers ever went down once during the innitial launch, and we pretty much no lifed it on Twitch for the first couple of days straight, so i know for sure the "servers down within the first 24 hours" comment is total fabricated BS, or was just fault of your internet.

Didnt you say in one of your original comments that "If it was just a matchmaking service then the game would be plagued by hackers?" If that were true, specifically about AW, It wouldve happened again as the community was super small for PC multiplayer at launch, and still struggles to keep a steady amount of players. I've run into players over and over again on both BO2 and AW that I recognize from days past playing. That's how small it is/has gotten. We would be seeing more hackers if the servers were truly the issues, but they arent. Ghosts can relate to that point even more so as it's player count most days and nights are typically in the hundreds, so quit fighting a lost battle, dude.

[Oliver]

They pay for their server, so of course they make the rules.

If you are unhappy go make your own.

[Furbodo]

Originally posted by Oliver:

They pay for their server, so of course they make the rules.

If you are unhappy go make your own.

I'm not unhappy about their servers, just that they are able to run those servers in the ranked list. Imposing rules like that on servers that are listed in the ranked playlist can be misleading even with the server title. Also if you pick "Play Ranked" (if thats what its called) it can throw you in one of those games at random. That's what bothers me. If people want to make a server where the gameplay is slower for a different feel then by all means. But let others not get thrown into your paradise that may be their hell.

[Furbodo]

Originally posted by Brandownage27:

Originally posted by Furbodo:

I'm not saying that you'll run into hackers every day on any of these games, nor am I saying that you for sure will not, because again, some idiot somewhere will try it and they may succeed, or they may fail and get VAC banned, typically the second as your account is proof. Also, isnt that what every VAC banned person does? Comes on these forums and claims "They didnt do it," "got banned for nothing," or "dont know why they got banned," and basically states how someone else did it by choice and forced everyone simply because of being in the wrong place at the wrong time? Yeah, okay... no. I havent seen, or heard of anyone on Steam getting VAC banend for THEM doing nothing. If the system catches you, or valve employee gives you it, you deserved it. Spin whatever story you want, no one will believe you. My friends and I played Advanced warfare for weeks straight at launch and if that ♥♥♥♥ happened theres not a doubt at least one of us would have seen it. Now, you're just flat out lying... No servers ever went down once during the innitial launch, and we pretty much no lifed it on Twitch for the first couple of days straight, so i know for sure the "servers down within the first 24 hours" comment is total fabricated BS, or was just fault of your internet.

VAC bans are caused by DLL injectors, using 3rd party software to attach to the game's process to cheat, and by other hackers that by the VAC system who affect other players in the Peer 2 peer server system. Never would have happened if a dedicated server was hosting. I went to them and they said too bad. They wouldn't reset my stats, nothing. Looking at someone's steam profile and reading that there is a VAC can mean absolutely nothing. It's just children like you who point laugh. And proof of what exactly. Do you know what the ban is from by looking at the account. Out of all my games which is it. Why would I make it up. There is a reason I don't even play AW anymore.

To point out how close Xbox is to the PC games heres a fun little fact. ALL of the CoDs except for the ones released on PC FIRST are ports to PC. Black Ops, Blops 2, WaW, MW2, MW3, Ghosts, and yes even AW were ALL ports to PC. The reason being is that Xbox and PS3 use the x86 system architecture (x64 is backcompatible to run x86). That's why there is so little UI changes from Xbox to PC. The netcode is exactly the same. The only game being different is Blops 1. Plainly all games released AFTER CoD 2 were mainly designed for the consoles, not the PCs.

To put it clearly hacks are able to be done on:

Peer to Peer: Because the games are hosted on the players network connection and game it makes it very easy for the host to hack the game. Putting the server on the players' end is much more cost effective than to buy and run dedicated servers. The reason why only 1 game has dedicated servers.

Dedicated Server: Aimbots and other small exploits aside these are the hardest to hack. You would have to be able to get in, crack the server and load up your mods into the server to hack it in the first place.

Go on youtube and look up mod menus for any call of duty. For every instance they say for the hacks/mods/infections to work you NEED to be host. Just go look this ♥♥♥♥ up. Its almost imposible to hack a dedicated Blops 2 server. Look up how the matchmaking works for those games and what the differences are. If you don't your just too lazy/stubborn to see.

[Oliver]

Originally posted by Furbodo:

Originally posted by Oliver:

They pay for their server, so of course they make the rules.

If you are unhappy go make your own.

I'm not unhappy about their servers, just that they are able to run those servers in the ranked list. Imposing rules like that on servers that are listed in the ranked playlist can be misleading even with the server title. Also if you pick "Play Ranked" (if thats what its called) it can throw you in one of those games at random. That's what bothers me. If people want to make a server where the gameplay is slower for a different feel then by all means. But let others not get thrown into your paradise that may be their hell.

Well that is how servers work in this game. You buy a server, and then you can decide at the server provider if it is ranked or unranked. It's not Treyarch who decides this.

[Furbodo]

Originally posted by Oliver:

Originally posted by Furbodo:

I'm not unhappy about their servers, just that they are able to run those servers in the ranked list. Imposing rules like that on servers that are listed in the ranked playlist can be misleading even with the server title. Also if you pick "Play Ranked" (if thats what its called) it can throw you in one of those games at random. That's what bothers me. If people want to make a server where the gameplay is slower for a different feel then by all means. But let others not get thrown into your paradise that may be their hell.

Well that is how servers work in this game. You buy a server, and then you can decide at the server provider if it is ranked or unranked. It's not Treyarch who decides this.

They some control over the servers and the providers. Like who can or cannot provide service for ranked play. Little, but not a lot. It's a shame really.

[1amfr3e]

in the rules for owning a server clearly says you have the right tto do what ever you want as long as the owner of the server does not make any rules rules as in. no noob tubes,no running.Crouch only servers. Servers like that clearly break the owning a server rule.