Did Sweet Baby Games sabotage the game?

[Tuxedo_Cat]

I heard that all the planned content got dropped was it due to wokeness?

[Proxy-senpai]

This studio didn't need SBI to be completely reprehensible

[Scott]

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it is now on sale for 3€ but dunno if this game has forced be woke stuff in it like DATV (Dragon Age: The Veilguard) so who completed this game?

How about instead of caring about that actually caring about if a game is fun to play? Ya know, because it's a video game?

this got a jester award lmao

it's all "focus on fun not representation" until a fun game has a black main character

[Patholos]

woke ≠ bad

This game is bad tho. Don't buy it.

[stunlord]

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The real answer AFAIK.

Technically it was internal politics. Without bias, Mike Zaimont was the leading force behind Skullgirls and this game. And Mariel Cartwright and others tried to take over the company while trying to get Mike cancelled.

In the end Lab Zero games imploded. Affecting this game and Skullgirls.

Woke? Not really. But are other members of Lab Zero tried to influence it's products yes? But not as blatant as today.

Riddle me this: if he was the leading force, why, as the sole remaining member of Lab Zero (since he fired literally everyone who didn't already leave), does he not do any of the promised updates?

The people screaming about wokeness are the most painfully ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ losers on the planet, I love it

[Loot Hunter]

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The real answer AFAIK.

Technically it was internal politics. Without bias, Mike Zaimont was the leading force behind Skullgirls and this game. And Mariel Cartwright and others tried to take over the company while trying to get Mike cancelled.

In the end Lab Zero games imploded. Affecting this game and Skullgirls.

Woke? Not really. But are other members of Lab Zero tried to influence it's products yes? But not as blatant as today.

Riddle me this: if he was the leading force, why, as the sole remaining member of Lab Zero (since he fired literally everyone who didn't already leave), does he not do any of the promised updates?

I don't know. Why didn't LZG make those updates before it has been disbanded? They had more than a year to implement at least some crossover characters, yet they couldn't even finish one.

[Kargor]

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I don't know. Why didn't LZG make those updates before it has been disbanded?

They didn't exactly plan to die.

to implement at least some crossover characters,

Yeah well, they had so many characters that I never played... "the game could use some more characters" was never on my mind.

[Melodia]

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Yeah well, they had so many characters that I never played... "the game could use some more characters" was never on my mind.

Those of us who contributed to the Indiegogo were shortchanged by them never making those characters. Especially those of us who contributed because of it in the first place.

[stunlord]

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Riddle me this: if he was the leading force, why, as the sole remaining member of Lab Zero (since he fired literally everyone who didn't already leave), does he not do any of the promised updates?

I don't know. Why didn't LZG make those updates before it has been disbanded? They had more than a year to implement at least some crossover characters, yet they couldn't even finish one.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm, well if I had to take a wild guess, it would be that the ENTIRE company all said the same thing: Mike Z was a creep and a bully who abused his position and sexually harassed and assaulted his colleagues, and made it a toxic work environment where it was impossible to get anything done. Which you would already know if you did even 2 minutes of research into the situation

[Strider VM]

Първоначално публикувано от stunlord:

Първоначално публикувано от Strider VM:

The real answer AFAIK.

Technically it was internal politics. Without bias, Mike Zaimont was the leading force behind Skullgirls and this game. And Mariel Cartwright and others tried to take over the company while trying to get Mike cancelled.

In the end Lab Zero games imploded. Affecting this game and Skullgirls.

Woke? Not really. But are other members of Lab Zero tried to influence it's products yes? But not as blatant as today.

Riddle me this: if he was the leading force, why, as the sole remaining member of Lab Zero (since he fired literally everyone who didn't already leave), does he not do any of the promised updates?

The people screaming about wokeness are the most painfully ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ losers on the planet, I love it

If I remember correctly, because he technically cannot anymore as the rights to develop the game isn't his anymore.

Also I am trying to be as unbiased as possible. But the power struggle is there so context has to be shown.

[Kargor]

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If I remember correctly, because he technically cannot anymore as the rights to develop the game isn't his anymore.

Also, why would he want to?

[DaddyEcho69]

No the studio ended long before all the wokeness. TLDR The lead dude was an ass, rest of team wanted him gone, a lot ended up leaving, he fired the rest, and ended up the only one at the company. So don't buy the game, it all goes to that guy now and there won't be any more updates.

[Loot Hunter]

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No the studio ended long before all the wokeness. TLDR The lead dude was an ass, rest of team wanted him gone, a lot ended up leaving

Your claims don't add up. The whole "I can't breath" debacle was an indicator of wokeness in the company. In fact, as far as 2017 there were some changes in the game, clearly made for the sake of complying with woke ideology. And while MikeZ was an ass, the rest of the studio were no better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmQ-npRFhNY

[DaddyEcho69]

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No the studio ended long before all the wokeness. TLDR The lead dude was an ass, rest of team wanted him gone, a lot ended up leaving

Your claims don't add up. The whole "I can't breath" debacle was an indicator of wokeness in the company. In fact, as far as 2017 there were some changes in the game, clearly made for the sake of complying with woke ideology. And while MikeZ was an ass, the rest of the studio were no better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmQ-npRFhNY

I'm not really claiming anything, I tried looking up what really went down with this studio, but there isn't anything concrete, but most of it leans towards that guy being an ass. And when I say all the wokeness I mean what we have now in the gaming industry. Things weren't as bad back then as they are now. I'm sure there was still DEI stuff in the gaming industry just not this bad.

[Kargor]

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I'm not really claiming anything, I tried looking up what really went down with this studio, but there isn't anything concrete, but most of it leans towards that guy being an ass.

And that's what "really happened". Guy tries a hostile takeover, fails, and the company is toast.

I haven't played Skullgirls for more than a few minutes, and I didn't particularly like this one either (but, I almost finished it) -- whatever wokeness you think you're seeing, I didn't notice anything *I* would categorize as such.

[Ignus]

Първоначално публикувано от stunlord:

Riddle me this: if he was the leading force, why, as the sole remaining member of Lab Zero (since he fired literally everyone who didn't already leave), does he not do any of the promised updates?

Shortly after Mike Z PR nightmare began, he showed up in the Indivisible discord.
Among all the insults, somebody actually asked him what happened to Indivisible.
Mike said he contacted 505, asking them if he gave them one final patch for Indivisible, would they upload it. He never received an asnwer.

Also, people keep saying he fired the rest of the people at Lab Zero out of spite. But that was not the case. He had to close Lab Zero because he had no way to pay the people that stayed with him. The last chance of LZ making a new game, disappeared with most of the artists walking away after firing Cartwright and Esquenazi.