Rally multiplayer ghosts

[Katsper]

I think it would be great to be able to race friends in rally races using a ghost. You could set up a session for a friend+ and race on a rally track together to compete for the best time, tracking the other player via ghost. I know the game comes out in two months but maybe later in development if they're doing EA again or post update/dlc?

[LibranRabbit...the 1%]

On that, you could add yourself, i.e. your best time.

[Katsper]

Originally posted by LibranRabbit...the 1%:

On that, you could add yourself, i.e. your best time.

Custom ghosts would also be great. If actual multiplayer as mentioned doesn't work, a ghost system would be good enough.

[ACiDiC_SPVNK]

This would actually be a great addition! As much as I'd like the option of PVP rally, I also really love the asynchronous nature of what we got -- and ghosts would almost be the perfect mix between the two.

[SRD_FlatOut]

They won't appear in the game. Ghosts are a terrible idea for rally games, especially if they are going for simulation. It will affect your times in a negative way because you can't push the limits. The ghost in front of you will obstruct your view of the road ahead. You won't be able to see the proper line, etc. Splits are more useful. You see how far the car is ahead of behind you. You can then either push a bit more and take more risks or lift off the throttle a bit and take less risks.

[diknmuis]

Originally posted by BE_FlatOut:

They won't appear in the game. Ghosts are a terrible idea for rally games, especially if they are going for simulation. It will affect your times in a negative way because you can't push the limits. The ghost in front of you will obstruct your view of the road ahead. You won't be able to see the proper line, etc. Splits are more useful. You see how far the car is ahead of behind you. You can then either push a bit more and take more risks or lift off the throttle a bit and take less risks.

indeed, ghosts in a rally game is the worst thing you can have

[Katsper]

Originally posted by BE_FlatOut:

They won't appear in the game. Ghosts are a terrible idea for rally games, especially if they are going for simulation. It will affect your times in a negative way because you can't push the limits. The ghost in front of you will obstruct your view of the road ahead. You won't be able to see the proper line, etc. Splits are more useful. You see how far the car is ahead of behind you. You can then either push a bit more and take more risks or lift off the throttle a bit and take less risks.

I have a hard time believing you can't make ghosts work. I thought about them blocking vision and you could easily have them fade away either completely or leave them just barely visible within a certain distance from your vehicle. They would also be optional, I imagine, so if you don't want to use it you don't have to. That's no reason to prevent other people from enjoying the feature. It won't effect your times if you don't use it or if it's implemented in a way where it wouldn't be a distraction, which I believe to be completely possible. Split times are obviously better but I was looking for a way to make this game more interactive with friends, especially since Rally isn't really possible to do direct head to head races. This game reminded me of how me and a few friends would compete for best times and race each others ghosts in the Trials games.

[allan766]

ghost mode is must especially rally game is alway solo drive.

[SRD_FlatOut]

Originally posted by allan766:

ghost mode is must especially rally game is alway solo drive.

It most certainly is NOT a must. From a simulation point of view, which is their goal, it's a no go!

[Katsper]

Originally posted by BE_FlatOut:

Originally posted by allan766:

ghost mode is must especially rally game is alway solo drive.

It most certainly is NOT a must. From a simulation point of view, which is their goal, it's a no go!

So just becase you don't want to use it, others can't? It's fine that you don't like the idea, but just because you don't doesn't mean others will agree or that it shouldn't be implemented. You repeating that it won't work isn't adding anything to the conversation. You don't speak for the community or the developers.

[SRD_FlatOut]

Actually the developers stated that ghost cars aren't going to be in there because of a simulation standpoint it doesn't make sense, if I recall correctly. Maybe if you pick the casual handling mode I might understand having the option. But if you go for the simulation and realism mode it would be daft to implement something like this. Only split times would be the viable option.

[allan766]

they should add ghost and give us a option to turn off and on since Dirt 4 have arcade mode and simulation driving physic mode.

[Katsper]

Originally posted by BE_FlatOut:

Actually the developers stated that ghost cars aren't going to be in there because of a simulation standpoint it doesn't make sense, if I recall correctly. Maybe if you pick the casual handling mode I might understand having the option. But if you go for the simulation and realism mode it would be daft to implement something like this. Only split times would be the viable option.

Do you have a source? I disagree and don't really see how it's violating the simulation aspect at all but in the end it doesn't really matter, it's up to the developers. I'd honestly be fine if the top difficult/sim mode didn't have ghosts if the lower difficulties did, but I'd prefer all had the option. Like I said, if you don't want to use it I doubt it would be forced. It would either be its own game mode, like PvP Rallycross I'd imagine or just an option implemented into Rally.

[SRD_FlatOut]

Paul Coleman answered the question in the Gossip Thread. Simulation and realism is a recreation of real life. Simulation doesn't only apply to car behaviour and so on but to all aspects of rallying. Ghost cars don't exist in real life now do they. That's why it is violating the simulation aspect. Isn't it?

[Katsper]

Originally posted by BE_FlatOut:

Paul Coleman answered the question in the Gossip Thread. Simulation and realism is a recreation of real life. Simulation doesn't only apply to car behaviour and so on but to all aspects of rallying. Ghost cars don't exist in real life now do they. That's why it is violating the simulation aspect. Isn't it?

Technically, yeah It's unrealistic. But with this argument, you could argue all UI aspects are also unrealistic such as showing the progress bar, split times, spedo, etc but you're still aloud to have all of these assists plus some. As are any camera views outside of a first person viewpoint. Those are all optional, of course, but so would ghosts. Almost every simulation game in existence has elements of gameplay that aren't "realistic," for the sake of gameplay/balance.

[SRD_FlatOut]

That is to improve the gameplay and give the driver vital information without being distracting. The ghost car would limit the view of the road ahead even if you would make them transparant when it's close. A rally driver doesn't look at the road just in front of the car, he looks way down the road.