German emblems

[Athos]

Does this game have an option or mod for historical German flags and emblems? You know, the dreaded swastikas? No interest in playing a historically censored product. I'm not that damn gullible.

[Mr.EpicMemerMan]

They aren’t on the, because it’s not allowed to put them in a game. Even if it’s historical they try to avoid that.

[=VG= kiwirambob/killabot]

Thats BS ... its historically correct , if thats the case remove all flags .. its just stupid countrys with a problem with the past .. its historical meaning past & correct

[skwabie]

Below are all the censored flags (that I can find. In original .png format). However my skinning skill is little to zero.
If someone with skinning skills can make an uncensored version I can insert them back into the game.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1259547997
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1259549940
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1259550441
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1259550881
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1259551205

[Athos]

Originally posted by Admiral Skull:

They aren’t on the, because it’s not allowed to put them in a game. Even if it’s historical they try to avoid that.

There are games that have them. It's just a "convention" that is voluntarily "mandatory", if you catch my drift. An historical product always is allowed to reflect historical accuracy. Witness all the movies that flood the screen with nazi emblems. See "Valkyrie" for example. Historical gamers need to start rejecting these products that insult their intelligence with historical censorship. We aren't children. And children don't need historical censorship either for that matter.

[Athos]

Originally posted by skwabie:

Below are all the censored flags (that I can find. In original .png format). However my skinning skill is little to zero.
If someone with skinning skills can make an uncensored version I can insert them back into the game.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1259547997
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1259549940
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1259550441
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1259550881
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1259551205

I wouldn't know how that artwork could be repaired satisfactorily. The design team should provide at the very least a download of uncensored artwork to be substituted by those who are insulted by their historical revisionism. Let the babies have the pablum if they want, but provide the real material for those who care. But I'm sure their intention is to deny the historical emblems due to their own political slant.

[Killerfish Games]

No political slant on our part.
While the Swastika is allowed for documentaries and in other historical contexts, it is illegal for use with toys and games in some countries. Computer games fall into this category.

Since our games are made for an international audience, we had to abide by these limitations.

[Athos]

Still, you could've supplied files as a download, not included in the base package. Even posting them on a 3rd party site if you had to. I'm sure the art was drawn historically originally. At least it should've been.

But thanks for chiming in reasonably. That's appreciated. :)

[Athos]

Yet, despite what you say, here's a "game" on Steam that I own that uses swastikas:

http://store.steampowered.com/app/283020/The_Campaign_Series_Fall_Weiss/

What say you?

[Green Death]

Originally posted by Athos:

What say you?

I'd say that game is likely not available in certain countries, or is in breach of their laws if it is.

I'd also say you're making a mountain out of a molehill and need to get over it or move on.

[Athos]

Sorry brah, historical censorship is no laughing matter. It's serious Orwellian dogma imposed by political scum of the Earth. And I'd also aver that these "laws" are unenforcable in any other country and probably not even in the country that passed them. But go on and consume your games, don't think. They don't want you focused on your rights and freedom but on entertainment and pleasure. "Unaware and compliant."

[acur1231]

So we have a closet Nazi unhappy that the Jerry flag is not in. A terrible tragedy. So cruel. Affects gameplay so much right? All those thousands of U-Boats I have sunk, if they have the right flags and marking they would have survived. I bet that if the Bismarck had the Swastika on deck it would not have gone up in a huge fireball when I torpedoed it. Ah well. At least we can still see the flag of that other major dictator, Stalin.

But seriously, what does it matter? So what if the Swastika is not in. I could hardly care less. I think it is quite stupid to censor it, proper education is how you prevent people from becoming Neo-Nazi freaks. But the law is the law.

By the way devs, for the UK, can there be a chance that German planes there get shot down by aircraft even when the allies have no carriers there? The RAF maintained air superiority over the UK and its waters throughout the war, and bombing convoys was no laughing matter for the Stuka pilots that did it. All too often they had Hurricanes in their midst shooting them down. It just seems a little silly to see 7-8 Stukas attacking a convoy after the Battle of Britain, and while they are really easy to down with AA, with would be nice for there to be some fighters too.

[Athos]

Originally posted by acur1231:

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But seriously, what does it matter? So what if the Swastika is not in. I could hardly care less. I think it is quite stupid to censor it, proper education is how you prevent people from becoming Neo-Nazi freaks. But the law is the law.

Because as you've made clear, you're one of the barbarians who explicitly or implicitly are responsible for this political censorship. People like you richly deserve the society and anti-culture you claim to desire. If only you could have it without condemning the rest of us to your misery.

[Sandman]

Pretending History did not happen is just stupid...and censorship to NOT remember something is even stupider... We should never forget the terrors of the past ..... not cover them up.....else we are almost sure to repeat them.....

[acur1231]

Originally posted by Sandman:

Pretending History did not happen is just stupid...and censorship to NOT remember something is even stupider... We should never forget the terrors of the past ..... not cover them up.....else we are almost sure to repeat them.....

No one is pretending that it did not happen. The fact that the entire game is about the Nazis trying to sink allied transports and the Royal Navy trying to stop them is a testament to that. How is not including the Swastika a cover up? It is merely abiding with the laws of certain countries, like Germany, and really does not matter. You lot are making a mountain out of a molehill. Sure, there are ways around the ban, like region specific free DLCs, but thr devs cannot be bothered to make them, and I support that since it is a waste of time. Cry all you want, and pretend to have the morale high ground, but at the end of the day you idiots are arguing for the inclusion of the flag of the greatest failed state of the century.

[Athos]

No, you are whitewashing history. What is your reason for desiring the censorship of an historical symbol? If you don't censor the armies, navies, and air forces of that nation, if you don't censor names and images of the leaders of that nation -- including its top leader -- what reason on earth is there to single out an emblem of that nation for censorship. Explain yourself. Desiring uncensored history needs no explanation nor excuse. It is essential to all free people. Censoring history simply furthers the ideals and habits of the regime using that very symbol.

Give it all to us free and unadulterated. This symbol was not censored prior to this century. If it was alright to "see it" before that, closer to the events where it existed, and if it's alright to see it liberally in movies, what earthly reason is there to hide it in historical simulations, no matter how insignificant the product? This "ban" applies to ALL such products, not just this one title.