21 survival mode+ is such bs

[Nameless]

The AI literally just cheat constantly.
Everytime you're about to win: they pull out three cards to drop their bets to zero
Everytime you're about to lose: they pull three cards to increase your bets
Where tf are they getting these trump cards? I only have five at most during rounds but they use up 15 in less than a few minutes. I've given up going for the achievement because its all luck based and extremely boring. Just wastes your time.

[Gin]

Well,, the fact that you know it's all about luck, that should be the only reason to...
keep trying.
Allow me to say : it's kind of weird that you don't seem to realize this fully and therefor made the decision to give up.

Losing a few rounds or games in 21 means nothing, really.

Edit : You ask why the opponent has so many trump cards out of nowhere...
Not entirely sure...
but in some cases they were saved from the previous round
and in other cases it's just because the opponent plays a lot of trump cards and is allowed to get more trump cards from the deck.

With that in mind, you can do the same : play more trump cards to get more trump cards from the deck.

It is a matter of luck and RNG.
Eventually, you will get the right set of cards and trump cards...
The AI will still cheat but waste trump cards and make a few mistakes
which leads you to win certain rounds or the final round.

Some players have won some 21 games without being tortured. (check youtube)
Did they cheat ? i don't know... Some of them may have cheated because a cheat to always win, does exist.

[Brick]

I'm usually not into card games, but 21 was addicting when I started playing it and the survival+ was really a challenge for me. I admit it's a tough one and you gotta hope for some good RNG. Somehow I managed to beat it while having a really good set of trump cards that the AI just couldn't do anything against me.

[GothicAlice]

Ive been stuck against the first survivor for about like 15 minutes now, i'm winning about 4/5 rounds but hes used over maybe like 20 shields and i'm not sure what to do at this point lmfao. He's used one on every game ive won, ive destroyed them and he puts down another.

[Brick]

From my experience playing this mode, I realized that you have to predict some of the AI's moves and sometimes you need to bluff and lose a round on purpose and keep your best trump cards for later.

[Vyor_Lifeblood]

While it is entirely luck based on if you get to do anything that round... the AI has no such problems and will always have a set group of trump cards in hand.

In unlimited amounts.

♥♥♥♥ this game mode.

[Gin]

Originally posted by Vyor_Lifeblood:

While it is entirely luck based on if you get to do anything that round... the AI has no such problems and will always have a set group of trump cards in hand.

In unlimited amounts.

♥♥♥♥ this game mode.

You're lucky when you get the cards or at the very least can do some damage control,
but nevertheless it's still up to the player to outsmart the AI.
The pattern is actually easy to spot, if the AI plays his ultimate trump cards,
then you know maybe you shouldn't have played the cards that forced the AI to play his
best cards.

The last 21 achievement : "You Gotta Know When To Hold 'Em" is a good hint

So, to say that the AI has no such problems, is not entirely true.
AI does make mistakes mostly by wasting trump cards.
Otherwise more players would complain about not even get past the first and second
modes of 21.

[Vyor_Lifeblood]

Originally posted by Gin:

Originally posted by Vyor_Lifeblood:

While it is entirely luck based on if you get to do anything that round... the AI has no such problems and will always have a set group of trump cards in hand.

In unlimited amounts.

♥♥♥♥ this game mode.

You're lucky when you get the cards or at the very least can do some damage control,
but nevertheless it's still up to the player to outsmart the AI.
The pattern is actually easy to spot, if the AI plays his ultimate trump cards,
then you know maybe you shouldn't have played the cards that forced the AI to play his
best cards.

The last 21 achievement : "You Gotta Know When To Hold 'Em" is a good hint

So, to say that the AI has no such problems, is not entirely true.
AI does make mistakes mostly by wasting trump cards.
Otherwise more players would complain about not even get past the first and second
modes of 21.

I never said they made no mistakes, I said they always got the cards they need and they get them in unlimited amounts. They don't "draw" anything.

[[死] Nirim]

Originally posted by Gin:

Originally posted by Vyor_Lifeblood:

While it is entirely luck based on if you get to do anything that round... the AI has no such problems and will always have a set group of trump cards in hand.

In unlimited amounts.

♥♥♥♥ this game mode.

You're lucky when you get the cards or at the very least can do some damage control,
but nevertheless it's still up to the player to outsmart the AI.
The pattern is actually easy to spot, if the AI plays his ultimate trump cards,
then you know maybe you shouldn't have played the cards that forced the AI to play his
best cards.

The last 21 achievement : "You Gotta Know When To Hold 'Em" is a good hint

So, to say that the AI has no such problems, is not entirely true.
AI does make mistakes mostly by wasting trump cards.
Otherwise more players would complain about not even get past the first and second
modes of 21.

First and second mode is easy, survival+ is just straight up bs - And even more "rigged" than the first mode as in the first mode atleast you get the card you need to beat it at the start.

As for the trump cards being carried over to the next round doesnt make alot of sense seeing that you end up on different hoffmans every round.
The guy with the hands on his hood for example will always play 3 shields and then sacrifice them in order to increase your bets with 3 or 5.

The molded guy is the only one who can play the cursed card. (And also seems to be the only one who can run out of trump cards/ be manipulated into not using trump cards)

The spoonguy on the other hand is the only one who will cancel out every turn he cant win, and has a card that will prevent you from drawing any card, even with trump cards.


Not sure how I'm supposed to get more trump cards, by playing more trump cards as you've mentioned, because you cant keep drawing cards without going bust.


It's not unbeatable, but the amount of luck needed really takes away the fun factor.

[Bullett00th]

Originally posted by 死 Nirim:

It's not unbeatable, but the amount of luck needed really takes away the fun factor.

I can bet you a game that I can sit through a Survival + game right now. And I'm not some super pro. You just have to pay attention to what cards you and your opponent have, not take unnecessary risks and save up on important trump cards. They add up as you draw

[[死] Nirim]

Originally posted by Bullett00th:

Originally posted by 死 Nirim:

It's not unbeatable, but the amount of luck needed really takes away the fun factor.

I can bet you a game that I can sit through a Survival + game right now. And I'm not some super pro. You just have to pay attention to what cards you and your opponent have, not take unnecessary risks and save up on important trump cards. They add up as you draw

Litteraly just beat it 2 seconds ago, but I'd still watch.

[geordiebroon58]

the bots heavy cheat

in the survival mode 2nd or 3rd opponent you get Will Always at least have 1 shield to use per turn, only counter is a two up or disable their trump cards

then the next one is exact oppisit of allways two-ups on youwhich is still much better than a never ending stalemate

i stopped having fun when they got bs advantages that you just cant prevent

[Bullett00th]

Originally posted by geordiebroon58:

that you just cant prevent

see that's where you're wrong

[geordiebroon58]

Originally posted by Bullett00th:

Originally posted by geordiebroon58:

that you just cant prevent

see that's where you're wrong

what perfect rng for have like 3 or 42 ups or to have the card to just directly counter their trump cards

its luck based to the point there isnt a fair mechanic put in place and iv had a match (being one of my last) that just kept going on for like 5 - 10 minutes ecause some sheild kept getting in the way and i wasnt getting two ups besides once like every 10 turns (and thats if he didnt destroy it)

simply put i went on for like 20-30 turns because bad rng

[[死] Nirim]

Originally posted by geordiebroon58:

Originally posted by Bullett00th:

see that's where you're wrong

what perfect rng for have like 3 or 42 ups or to have the card to just directly counter their trump cards

its luck based to the point there isnt a fair mechanic put in place and iv had a match (being one of my last) that just kept going on for like 5 - 10 minutes ecause some sheild kept getting in the way and i wasnt getting two ups besides once like every 10 turns (and thats if he didnt destroy it)

simply put i went on for like 20-30 turns because bad rng

It is luck based for sure, but some moves by Hoffman are preventable

[geordiebroon58]

Originally posted by 死 Nirim:

Originally posted by geordiebroon58:

what perfect rng for have like 3 or 42 ups or to have the card to just directly counter their trump cards

its luck based to the point there isnt a fair mechanic put in place and iv had a match (being one of my last) that just kept going on for like 5 - 10 minutes ecause some sheild kept getting in the way and i wasnt getting two ups besides once like every 10 turns (and thats if he didnt destroy it)

simply put i went on for like 20-30 turns because bad rng

It is luck based for sure, but some moves by Hoffman are preventable

preventable doesnt mean fair.

sure something like card games arent meant to be fair and bots need an advantageb ut theres a difference between being in favour of the bot and straight up cheating the system relying on luck to counter something

its preventable if things are on your favour but it can also be the exact opposite and no matter how good your plays are your left in a lose lose situation, either you "win" and prevent losing a life or you lose a life / draw for an eternity (or you get a double up / disable)

TL:DR preventable or not doesnt remove its poor, unfair and unfun design because of unbalanced advantages