Anyone else really like 21?

[Robyn DeezNutz]

I'm seriously having a blast with it. Just attempted Survival+ and got my ♥♥♥ fried on the 3rd Hoffman lol. I'm actually surprised by how much fun I'm having with it, when Nightmare wasn't really my thing.

[DatHolzauge]

You're not alone. 4 objectives left to do by now.

-15 trump cards in a round
-beating survival+ without being tortured
- and those two with the "elusive" mr bighead.

Never thought it'd be so much fun after reading all those complains about 21

[Robyn DeezNutz]

I just had a round with him! Mother ♥♥♥♥♥♥ killed me with a 10+11 combo lol. That peeved me

[Lanzagranadas]

I think the idea was fun for some quick games, but the way they implemented it in Survival + was terrible. I don't think anyone really wants to play against the same ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Hoffman 10 times in a row without a single checkpoint, just to get instant-killed by someone who just multiplied your bet X 20 in the latest rounds and you had nothing to counter that, and having to restart all over again. Because the whole thing requires you to be playing for more than 1 hour straight.

That's my opinion, the game itself could have been more enjoyable if they split it into shorter games, Survival + just gets way too long and repetitive.

[DatHolzauge]

Originally posted by Lanzagranadas:

I think the idea was fun for some quick games, but the way they implemented it in Survival + was terrible. I don't think anyone really wants to play against the same ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Hoffman 10 times in a row without a single checkpoint, just to get instant-killed by someone who just multiplied your bet X 20 in the latest rounds and you had nothing to counter that, and having to restart all over again. Because the whole thing requires you to be playing for more than 1 hour straight.

That's my opinion, the game itself could have been more enjoyable if they split it into shorter games, Survival + just gets way too long and repetitive.

Some checkpoint atleast halfway trough would've been nice. 1st try i got instakilled at the 6th(?) Hoffmann. 2nd try i almost got trough without being tortured just to loose two rounds at the last Hoffmann.

Atleast i was lucky and it didn't kill me

[Pandava]

yes 21 is very nice minigame... I finished survival+ today
Wish there would be more trump cards to manage
And some extra modes like Survival infinite!

[MundM]

Yeah, I was surprised at the twist the trump cards spin on the blackjack formular. I first thought sharing one deck will be a cake walk, but then the trump cards happened :-D

[ycdiRocky]

To be honest, on one hand I really like 21 as well. But I am still stuck in the "main" 21 Game with the saw, because Lucas is getting all the Trump Cards that I never get. I feel like this RNG is totally unfair for me. As soon as I get near to him, he just puts out the best card for him, I can only get 3, he 21. Even if I save my trump cards to the end, he still beats me. Kinda frustrating and no fun after a while. For example, as soon as I know I am gonna win and put up 2 Bets, he just destroys my trump card and I lost again.

[MundM]

Originally posted by Frank Castle:

To be honest, on one hand I really like 21 as well. But I am still stuck in the "main" 21 Game with the saw, because Lucas is getting all the Trump Cards that I never get. I feel like this RNG is totally unfair for me. As soon as I get near to him, he just puts out the best card for him, I can only get 3, he 21. Even if I save my trump cards to the end, he still beats me. Kinda frustrating and no fun after a while. For example, as soon as I know I am gonna win and put up 2 Bets, he just destroys my trump card and I lost again.

The 21 game is not supposed to be fair, but scripted. You need to safe up a certain trump card which is the only way to win the normal 21 mode.

[ycdiRocky]

lol, just as you said it I got it. I won't spoil it of course for anyone else but yeah. FINALLY. Jeez...

[Robyn DeezNutz]

Originally posted by Lanzagranadas:

I think the idea was fun for some quick games, but the way they implemented it in Survival + was terrible. I don't think anyone really wants to play against the same ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Hoffman 10 times in a row without a single checkpoint, just to get instant-killed by someone who just multiplied your bet X 20 in the latest rounds and you had nothing to counter that, and having to restart all over again. Because the whole thing requires you to be playing for more than 1 hour straight.

That's my opinion, the game itself could have been more enjoyable if they split it into shorter games, Survival + just gets way too long and repetitive.

Yeah I definitely agree with the duration. 10 is just way too much. They could have just kept it at 5, since each round seems to be longer since the Hoffmans are smarter here. It definitely starts to feel like a trudge.

[Swaggaccino]

I had fun up until Survival +. It's ridiculous even attempt to go that long because every round the AI will blatantly cheat, have all the cards they need and always back you into a corner. They'll have a 10+11 and play 3 Two-Up cards. That's not fun to me. I had a blast with normal and regular survival but survival + isn't even worth attempting.

[MundM]

Originally posted by Swaggaccino:

I had fun up until Survival +. It's ridiculous even attempt to go that long because every round the AI will blatantly cheat, have all the cards they need and always back you into a corner. They'll have a 10+11 and play 3 Two-Up cards. That's not fun to me. I had a blast with normal and regular survival but survival + isn't even worth attempting.

Yeah well, every Hofmann has a certain strategy. They don't cheat as in spawning trump cards without you noticing, but they get the trump cards they need to do their strategy.

You have to understand what each Hofman is trying to achieve, you'd be surprised how easy an opponent actually was as soon as your brain clicked with what you need to do.

Knowing exactly what card your opponent has lying upside down is not hard and is essential if you don't have a 21, and even if you have 21, don't just blow all your trump cards that raise the pet, if you don't know the enemy doesn't have 21 too, save up your trump cards. Some Hofmanns even bluff like crazy, I expected them being typicial AIs that go for highes score, but some Hofmanns really play it safe and stop taking cards even at 15.

The Hofmann Ai is way better designed then people give it credit for, because all you see at first are them using the trump cards that look like cheating.

[Lanzagranadas]

The Shield spammers are definitely one of the most annoying opponents, as it sometimes takes even more than 10 rounds to defeat them. And you can't use Bet + on them because they almost allways counter that with 2 or even 3 shields.

It takes too long ass time to beat the whole thing that getting to a point it gets boring. They should have either made 5 rivals, or 10 rivals but cut their health to half. I guess very few people will have any reason to play through Survival + other than just getting the achievement.

[El Scorpio]

It's a matter of knowing what to use with each Hofmann, and to know what tactics and by tactics I mean which trump cards they will/can use against you and also the ability to farm TCs in the first rounds by doing a lot of waves...I finished S+ after several, and I mean several, attempts and the last hoff was an insane battle because I went in with a plan to wipe him in the first round
and it blew up in my face after that it was wits and pure luck as I drew some crazy TCs that allowed me to win.

Now I play for fun so i don't care if I lose but that last round was TENSE hahahaha...I'd say I loved all the dlc but was mostly disappointed by Daughters, too short and a missed opportunity to exploit the story's background. Never cared for Ethan must die as I am not a fan of dying 1000 times but I can see people diggin' it.