Complaint: 21 game mode is rigged.

[Kerb]

Yeah, it's pretty obvious the game cheats. It needs to be reprogrammed.

I've seen the game get 21, 3 times in a row so far. The chances of that are literally, astronomical. I've seen the game throw down like 5 Trump cards at once at the start of the round. And Lucas always throws down a destroy card when you throw down a double bet card. This is supposed to be blackjack, not some cheat mechanic designed to force you to lose. 100% convinced there is cheat programming in the game mode.

I can understand Lucas cheating as a part of the story line, like how he throws in that perfect hand Trump card and you gotta counteract it, but when you're playing against regular survivors, there shouldn't be cheats programmed in. They shouldn't get special or more cards just to beat you without a chance. Not to mention that opponents always seem to have an extra 'reduce bet by 1' card in their hands everytime they're about to lose. And half the time I get 21, there's a draw.

It seems the only chance in this game, is the chance of not being cheated by bad programming. At least an even playing field has to exist in a card game when you're facing other survivors.

This needs to be addressed pronto. I'm sure someone in the development department thought it would be a funny joke, but people don't pay money for this crap.

[jtcLIVE]

I honestly can't understand how everyone says this gamemode takes skill.

When i gave it a shot i watched Hoffman get a perfect 21 seven times in a row. Thats right

7 times in a row he got a perfect 21

after i lost that round i began a new one, and first round? Hoffman had 21.

[El Scorpio]

I finished it today and I got to say it was one of the most frustrating ordeals...basically you have to learn each of the hard guys quirks to get around them and save the best cards for the end but I gotta say the last guy cheats like a mofo...I used all the tricks with what i had but he got passed that by getting straight 21 without even lauching his rigged crad to get the perfect score...

Basically it ended up being a tremendous match between him and me where I guess luck in the term of the cards i got got me to win, because at one point I didn't even have cards but got the lucky ones to get through...I tried killing him at once suing the special cards twice inthe same round but he had 21 from the get go... it's scripted but you can overcome it...I'm not touching again for a while that's for sure. Well now I'll play it to win the bobble head dude but I'm in no hurry to do it!

[Colonel_47]

+1

[KyrenCross]

Originally posted by jtc0999:

I honestly can't understand how everyone says this gamemode takes skill.

When i gave it a shot i watched Hoffman get a perfect 21 seven times in a row. Thats right

7 times in a row he got a perfect 21

after i lost that round i began a new one, and first round? Hoffman had 21.

You should always expect them to get 21, that's what the trump cards are for, to switch, add, and mess them up. Learn each of your cards and learn their cards to heart. You can't just play and expect to win every time the first time around. What's the challenge in that?. You have to count cards, use trump cards wisely and save some for counters from the big bosses. If you know you'll definitely loose. Use trump cards to lesson the blow you'll receive.

Also try getting the locked cards that you can easily get so you can have an extra advantage to your enemies. The only real threat is the level 5/10 guy and Big Head. But if you save your trump cards to counter their skills, it can really go to your advantage.

*You can also farm cards from weaker enemies at the beginning by not killing them off to quickly, counting their cards from the start is so easy and predictable. They also almost settle for lower numbers so you can just beat them a round without even using one trump card.

[KyrenCross]

Forgot to give an example in counting cards and always expecting them to have 21.

If for example the round begins and he has a 7 and you have a 5 and 2.
You should always expect that he got an 11 in his faced down card until proven wrong
If he hits and got a 4, In your mind he already got 21, until proven wrong.

You then hit and got an 11.automatically you know that his faced down card is not an 11 cause you proved it when you got it. you now got 18 and your mindset should switch and expect that under his faced down card is a 10 until proven wrong.

He then hits again and got a 1, then uses a trump card and summons number 6. and adds 2 damage trumps in your direction.

Now you know exactly his faced down card which is the number 3. cuase 7+4+1+6 + 3 =21
and you also know the remaining numbers in the deck which is 8 , 9 and 10.
Cause you already got 5, 2 and 11.

You know you loose this one cause he obvioulsy got 21 and you got only 18 and can't hit. It all now depends on the trump cards you are holding. Either remove all his attack buffs and use shield to negate your damage. Or switch it up with switch cards to make him go over. and you are free to drop attack cards to firther damage him.

This instances are so rewarding and kinda exercises your math skills if it became rusty like me ^_^.

* Further tip. Number cards that are removed in play are now back in rotation in the deck.

You can also only place 5 perma trump cards iin play, but quick trump cards such as switch can be played even when you have full 5 perma in play.

[Very Good, Very Evil]

I honestly had no issues with 21. I just finished base, Survivor and Survivor+. Survivor+ on my first attempt as well. Certain opponents have characteristics like some play 3+ Shields (IIRC It was opponent 3 in Survivor mode) and others play Perfect Chance + Bet Ups. It's all about good trump management and recognizing what their patterns are. It's pretty easy to count the cards and counter or minimize the damage you take if need be.

[KyrenCross]

Finally beat Survival+ without getting tortured once ^_^.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=872754898
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=872754953
The reward was kinda mediocre.
Just added Golden Mr. Everywhere Bobbleheads in the room.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=872755246

Hope they add Survival ++ or Endless mode.

[Hursti]

funny how people here have pointed out plenty of times how the AI works and how to beat it, and yet there's always the 1 noob who goes berserk like "HE GOT 21 10 TIMES A ROW ITS RIGGED!!!!111111" *facepalm* it was 100% CLEAR from the getgo that the AI is like AI in any other digital cardgame, i guess they should write USE THE TRUMP CARDS TO WIN or something to the description for these people, lol

[Bloo]

The survival+ without torture reward isn't even worth it...

[MundM]

Absolute BS.
The only "rigged" parts so far, are the first "boss", because you need to save up a trump card.

I had 21 multiple times more then 3 times in a row, it's not an issue if you are able to count the cards and save up on decend trump cards. Getting to know what your opponents upside down card is, is vital.

[El Scorpio]

ok the only rigged part is that they seem to have infinite amount of the same trump card, they will keep throwing them over and over so of course your job is to break that pattern but I have to admit it's a cheap way for the ai to handle this, all trum cards should be random to a certain point I mean they should be able to use them say once or twice but every single match, 0like the guy throwing endless shields.

It's boring like that.And for those defending the game the joke is on you because once you figure out the pattern of each guy the game becomes predictable and boring...more random means less predictability and more fun.

[Pothocket]

Originally posted by Jakal:

ok the only rigged part is that they seem to have infinite amount of the same trump card, they will keep throwing them over and over so of course your job is to break that pattern but I have to admit it's a cheap way for the ai to handle this, all trum cards should be random to a certain point I mean they should be able to use them say once or twice but every single match, 0like the guy throwing endless shields.

It's boring like that.And for those defending the game the joke is on you because once you figure out the pattern of each guy the game becomes predictable and boring...more random means less predictability and more fun.

It just means that different opponents are drawing from different pools of trump cards. It's better that way because opponents are unique and require different tactics.

[Hursti]

Originally posted by Jakal:

ok the only rigged part is that they seem to have infinite amount of the same trump card, they will keep throwing them over and over so of course your job is to break that pattern but I have to admit it's a cheap way for the ai to handle this, all trum cards should be random to a certain point I mean they should be able to use them say once or twice but every single match, 0like the guy throwing endless shields.

It's boring like that.And for those defending the game the joke is on you because once you figure out the pattern of each guy the game becomes predictable and boring...more random means less predictability and more fun.

more random = more fun, NOT. just ask ANYONE actually plaing card games these days. like, its completely the other way around dude. sure you could argue that since this is player vs AI it could be 100% random, but id say that its still worse than these scripted events that force you to catch up to it and play accordingly around it, it actually needs skill to do, and not just "ooh i just randomly got 21 and he didnt, guess ill win" or "i didnt get the 5% to get the right trump card, and now ill lose".

the whole point of this game mode is to catch up to the patterns and play around them, not just to be a blackjack game with random effect cards thrown in.

[ItsOnlyAGame]

Originally posted by Kyle Katarn:

Originally posted by Reyson Fox:

Does anyone else just find all these little Extra Content games not fun? They are just not fun in fact just brutal with trial and error. The only one that has been any fun is the survival. Out of that all these side games suck. 21 is definitely rigged because when I played several times I tried to play decisively close or on 21, but every time I did the AI guy on the otherside always jipped me one number higher. And when you feel like you are ahead it quickly turns for the worse everytime. These little insta-death, cheap 21 games all suck.

Ethan must Die is a one hit kill run and it gets old quick with having to die and restart everytime when all items are random. Die more from the boxes than the actual monsters, WTF?

Daughter is pretty boring only to have you get captured easily every time to try to get the good ending and it's the same damn swing and dance.

The bedroom one is annoying where you have to figure out how to get out of the bedroom before she comes to check on you and have to put back everything. But if you mess with the pictures you can't remove them which she finds out and kills you anyway.

....you really suck at this game

Chill, Kyle... I agree with you on some things, i.e.: Daughters, Bedroom - great ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mini-games, but 21???!!! What a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ farce! That's some ♥♥♥♥-algorithm that allows a small enough percentage of people to get through, pretty much unscathed, while the majority shlogs through that sh*^& trial-and-error... IT IS RIGGED! I Love the game overall, but cheap cheats only encourage me to cheat back <wink wink> F*&^ getting robbed!

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I'm sorry, but this is what you guys are arguing about? I looked at my phone, and it states that the date is 2017 going on 2018, and the Steam store page to this game does not list multiplayer as one of the categories? Did I do something wrong?