Question about Lucas (spoilers)

[novice]

In the caves/mine, we find out Lucas was communicating with (probably) Umbrella and was actually cured of Eve's influence. But we saw him get his hand cut off by Jack and later regenerate? And he ripped his own fingernails off?

What's the deal with this half-baked tie-in to Umbrella that makes no sense?

[†øøts]

The entire final act is a buzzkill. Unfortunately, RE7 still suffers from the same half-assed writing that all recent RE's suffer from. I understand when devs want the players to find the story themselves, like in the case of Dark Souls, but this game is just unclear.

[Erebus]

Originally posted by Novice:

In the caves/mine, we find out Lucas was communicating with (probably) Umbrella and was actually cured of Eve's influence. But we saw him get his hand cut off by Jack and later regenerate? And he ripped his own fingernails off?

He's still infected. He's just not under her control.

What's the deal with this half-baked tie-in to Umbrella that makes no sense?

We'll probably find out when the free dlc "Not a Hero" releases.

[Gaige the Invincible]

Lucas was associated with Tantsu to spy his family. It's not Umbrella.

[Ludus Aurea]

Yea I wondered that when I started through again for multiple reasons.

A) He's still cannibaling.
B) Jack cuts his hand off as well as the part where Lucas rips his own fingernails off (I saw that coming and I was just like "Sigh, just get it over with.") so it obviously has to grow back.

But how can victims be free of the E-series mind control if they are still infected? Are they separate things?

I need to study the story closer but I think they may have put in too many things. She may be a Mary Sue bioweapon /s

Tantsu is never confirmed to be "the company" who created anything. It could just be the people who manufactured those cases.

[Erebus]

Originally posted by Grenadeh:

Yea I wondered that when I started through again for multiple reasons.

A) He's still cannibaling.
B) Jack cuts his hand off as well as the part where Lucas rips his own fingernails off (I saw that coming and I was just like "Sigh, just get it over with.") so it obviously has to grow back.

But how can victims be free of the E-series mind control if they are still infected? Are they separate things?

I need to study the story closer but I think they may have put in too many things. She may be a Mary Sue bioweapon /s

Tantsu is never confirmed to be "the company" who created anything. It could just be the people who manufactured those cases.

Speculation:
I'd have to dig back through the texts and replay the game but iirc the "control" is using some kinda chemical reaction/pheromone type ♥♥♥♥ I thought. In the games pseudo-science fiction I fail to see why they couldn't block that, but not block the infection on the whole.

Non-speculation:
If you remember the documents on the infection the regenerative power is the first thing that sets in, even before it majorly takes root in the brain. Hallucinations are a later stage aspect of the infection, and presumably connected to her "control".

Presumably they have a way to block or prevent certain stages or reactions. Plus it's worth noting the infection isn't clearcut, Mia was infected for what 3 years? But the serum didn't kill her.

[Erebus]

Just occured to me, think of Ethan's infection. He's obviously infected to survive the ♥♥♥♥ he does, but it's not yet progressed to the point where he's under her control. He's just beginning to hallucinate near the end.

If it could be blocked from progressing further or block certain reactions from taking place he'd still be ridiculously durable, without necessarily being cured. Kinda like Sherry's varient of the G-virus in plot (if memory serves).

[Ludus Aurea]

True true. I think there may also be some distance factor involved with the mind control.

The dinner scene made me think though.

Eveline is sitting right there. Right there next you. If her goal was to kill you, which according to both the beginning and end of the game it was, why wouldn't she just kill you at the dinner table?

There's this bit about how Eveline draws you there to become her father, and you even hear Jack when he takes the third dog head relief from your hand before the fight, talking to himself about :"I was supposed to be her daddy", so.....what?

Because clearly when you go back through the guest house at the end and she makes you hallucinate, she reveals it was her mind control causing Mia to try to kill you. So I fail to see why she would change her mind out of nowhere for like 12 seconds and then go back to making everyone try to kill you.

Is she just trying to pit Ethan and Jack against each other for shiggles?

[Erebus]

Originally posted by Grenadeh:

True true. I think there may also be some distance factor involved with the mind control.

The dinner scene made me think though.

Eveline is sitting right there. Right there next you. If her goal was to kill you, which according to both the beginning and end of the game it was, why wouldn't she just kill you at the dinner table?

There's this bit about how Eveline draws you there to become her father, and you even hear Jack when he takes the third dog head relief from your hand before the fight, talking to himself about :"I was supposed to be her daddy", so.....what?

Because clearly when you go back through the guest house at the end and she makes you hallucinate, she reveals it was her mind control causing Mia to try to kill you. So I fail to see why she would change her mind out of nowhere for like 12 seconds and then go back to making everyone try to kill you.

Theres a few possibilities.

A. The hallucination was just a hallucination and not accurate.
B. There's a missing piece of the "puzzle".
C. She's insane. Which being an engineered human/mold hybrid raised in a lab with some bizarre mental conditioning and a lack of treatment which is causing her to rapidly age (and probably other side-effects), isn't exactly far-fetched.

Knowing this franchise's plot any and or all could be likely.

[Ludus Aurea]

Well then the whole game might be a hallucination because Mia explicitly says "she's in my head" etc etc right after she attacks you the first time / is about to chainsaw you.

But yea I agree.