On piracy and their consequences

[Papa Beerpool is back(ish)]

I'm posting this here because I've read that RE7's Denuvo has already been successfully cracked and some people seem to celebrate it. So I wanted to know your opinion on Piracy and how does it affects the industry and developers.

Here are my two cents:
Back when I was 18 I had no job at all. I was studying abroad but the money I had I spent it on food etc. I love gaming since I was a 7 y/o kid and I wanted to play all those great games but due the money problem I had to pirate games. Since I have a job I bought pretty much 90% of the games I've pirated. I think piracy is understandable in those cases, you have no money and you want to play it. Problem comes when the pirate has the money but says "♥♥♥♥ them, this game is great and all but i'm not paying for it because they don't deserve my money".
Consequence? Higher prices, timed exclusives on x platform, endless amount of dlcs...
Yes some companies are crap but that doesn't mean they don't deserve to win money. Remember, a game is not free to make. You have to pay the workers and so on.
For those special snowflake pirates I hope they make a harsher version of denuvo or needed Internet connection for verification. Roast me if you want but I think thst kind of people are just garbage.

[kmaru]

I see no single post where anyone that seems to be ok with stealing says anything to the fact that stealing is still stealing. The only thing that i read is "but the company takes too much money"... but "i want to be entertained even if i dont have money"... but " a car is a real thing not like some software that can just be copied"... if you want to watch a soccer game for your entertainment, but dont have the money right now, you jump over the fence and watch the game without paying? and do you really think that everyone at capcom is earning millions and is eating a 1000$ dinner with the ceo that owns 10 sportcars? probably some coding guys that work 9 hours a day for the same wage that you guys earn .. and again i dont care how much the companies lose or what else im only talking bout the fact that its stealing

[Monkee]

Here's my 2 cents: if companies are trying to protect their product by locking the code, code properly. This game was released with no 21:9 support, various texture issues, other graphical issues, poor VRAM allocation, no SLI/multi gpu support, and the list goes on. Unless that is patched day 1, I'm all for pirates cracking the game and allowing others to fix these issues over time.

I'm not about pirating a game to avoid buying it - even when it releases poorly like RE7 did.

[ap3741]

Publicado originalmente por majikthise.uk:

To counter the "stealing is wrong" do you think it is acceptable to take money for a product you know is broken before you ship it?

Why would you offer money to purchase a product you know is broken before they ship it?

Even then, the merchant is guilty of unconscionable conduct; you stealing the product does not make it right.

[Ludus Aurea]

The amount of these threads is stating to rival the amount of "Idk wtf I'm spewing my mouth about but this isn't Resident Evil! Meah!" threads.

I get that you want to have a conversation. But, no one cares.

Denuvo does not affect 99.9999999% of gamers. We buy our games. Cracking Denuvo simply goes to show that pirates gonna pirate, and that DRM is pointless.

Resident Evil 7 didn't ship broken, either. It works perfectly f*cking fine. It has exactly as many glitches as any other random PC release you could pull out of a hat. QQ your obscure AF 21:9 monitor, your non-standard AF aspect ratio isn't supported, woe is you! Waaah, the game didn't ship with VR support on PC after Capcom explicitly said only PS would get VR support at first, waah! Waaah, my NINE year old processor isn't supported ! (This one is at least legit because it worked in the demo). Waah, Steam overlay is fubar and screenshots don't work ! (my issue).

It doesn't have any other issues besides that. Poor VRAM allocation? No. Wrong. No SLI support? No one uses SLI anymore and there's no reason to support SLI. Keep crying that your minority obscure crap isn't supported though.

Crying like a little child because these extremely obscure things that less than 1% of the PC audience uses or cares about, and then pretending those things legitimizes you pirating the game, is pathetic. You're garbage. You're disgusting. You aren't a gamer.

[bb]

Publicado originalmente por Papa Emeritus II:

Higher prices, timed exclusives on x platform, endless amount of dlcs...

i'm reasonably sure these are the consequences of greedy and exploitative publishers / industry.

[VINCENTALIM]

Publicado originalmente por ˻TheBareKnuckleBrawler:

Publicado originalmente por vincentalim:

I know, that's not going to work. If yes, what I did since last year will change all of my friend to use legal software and games. It is just how I see pirates is. I see pirates as a thief, even it is a software. This is about mentality.

I know maybe my money for Capcom is only a pixel, but let's think about this. You buy the game in store for example. Your money will give the dealer some bucks to feed their family, and they can pay the employee. With your money, Capcom can pay their operational cost, the Graphic Designer, even the Cleaning Service Person who clean the toilet. If Developer is bankrupt, you make a lot of people hurts.

Maybe this is too much. But I will not do something bad that I dont want to get. I always Imagine some people will steal my work / design, and I only have some sht if I use pirate software.

That is a lot, but you're a conscientious dude in a dark world and that makes you a light, man. That's a good thing and worth protecting. Hope karma (& Capcom) give you leeway in that regard....like no DRM or constant online connection need for your fairness.

Amen LoL.
In my country, this game price is lower than the original (Rp499.000 or $38). But still, people who can buy still pirate it. I'm not blame student or anyone who can't buy.
I guess, Capcom can trick people who crack their game like other developer. It is fun to trick their thief. http://www.pcworld.com/article/2602876/software-games/10-hilarious-brutally-devious-ways-pc-game-developers-punish-pirates.html#slide2

[majikthise.uk]

Emulators are moral abiguous at best especially when it comes to ROMs for which you don't own the original in the same way copying a CD to an MP3 is.

Legitiment transferal of media from one source to another isn't always a guarenteed right in fact it is part of the point of DRM so that a consumer can be double, tripple or quadurupal dipped for the purchase of the same product they already own.

It's part of the issue with "games as a service" and media in general in no other sector of the market are you expected to buy multiple version of the same product if you switch format.

If you want to take cars for example as a comparision is it considered acceptable to charge someone additionally for brakes? You might say that is a standard thing you must have so they shouldn't be able to charge for it, yet games companies sell products that don't run which is also an expected feature.

[Se︎︎bgeta ✧˚₊‧]

A lot of people who pirate games also don't have the money to buy them.
If you live in a poor country, you simply cannot afford buying full priced games all the time.

So preventing piracy doesn't necessarily increase the sales.

I honestly think that piracy makes more people play the games than normally would, simply because it's free to get pirated games.

Is this a good thing ? No. Is this a bad thing ? No.

But Denuvo is a waste of money. Developers should use this budget to bundle physical goodies with their games and make them more attractive to the audience that ACTUALLY BUYS games instead of trying to prevent the crowd who doesn't from playing them.

[Ludus Aurea]

Publicado originalmente por majikthise.uk:

It's part of the issue with "games as a service" and media in general in no other sector of the market are you expected to buy multiple version of the same product if you switch format.

If you want to take cars for example as a comparision is it considered acceptable to charge someone additionally for brakes? You might say that is a standard thing you must have so they shouldn't be able to charge for it, yet games companies sell products that don't run which is also an expected feature.

In literally every sector of the market you are expected to buy multiple versions of the same poroduct if you change format.

You can't trade your PS4 game for the XB1 copy. You can't trade your HD DVD for the bluray. You can't trade your vinyl for an 8 track, a cassette, a CD, or the mp3s. You can't trade your laser disc or vhs for a dvd.

As for your car bit, that's not even remotely the same. Brakes are part of a car. You couldn't legally charge someone for a car AND the parts within the car. Brakes are mandatory. People will literally die if a car doesn't come with working brakes.

It's not the same, AT ALL, as PC games having issues.

All software has issues. All software has always had issues, and always will have issues.

If the game doesn't have 21:9 support, nothing bad is going to happen. People won't die. Not to mention you can literally add that to the game at any point in time. You can't remotely install brakes on a car.

You children and your crying get old. It's born entirely of ignorance. There is no such thing as software that has ever come out without even some minor glitch. It's simply not possible to test for the billions of possible combinations of parts in a computer and, on that note, whining little b*tches have always done everything they can to prevent any sort of potential remedy to this situation, like UWP.

Brakes are a simple mechanical part. Cars are comparatively simple machines. Every Altima, every Cruze, every Pathfinder, whatever, is 100% exactly the same when it rolls off the assembly line (other than color). It will operate in the same atmosphere, on the same roads, subjected to the same weather (more or less).

That's just not how software works.

Publicado originalmente por Papa Emeritus II:

Consequence? Higher prices, timed exclusives on x platform, endless amount of dlcs...
Yes some companies are crap but that doesn't mean they don't deserve to win money. Remember, a game is not free to make. You have to pay the workers and so on.
For those special snowflake pirates I hope they make a harsher version of denuvo or needed Internet connection for verification. Roast me if you want but I think thst kind of people are just garbage.

I have no problem whatsoever with some sort of 24 hour check in or internet verification. But, I've personally seen how this can be garbage, as I had no reliable net for 4 months when I moved here. At first it was okay because I had no job but after I got one it was like "Okay this is bull."

This kind of thing has been constantly held back because of specific situations like soldiers who are deployed and don't have access to reliable internet, and the fact that the internet in the world is just overall pathetic.

[DaDooM]

Publicado originalmente por Wyrtt:

Publicado originalmente por DaDooM:

twisted minds will always come up with twisted excuses, to do twisted stuff.

i don't understand how someone can spend a lot of money on hardware to be able to play the latest console ports, but is too stingy to pay for the games.

and people who dont have high end PCs wont pirate a modern game since they dont have the hardware to play it anyways.

i think it is the rich kids, who don't like to pay up for software.

pirates are not pirates, they are criminals without a moral compass and need to be put in jail.

Because Emulators or modders like Durante are criminals without a moral code. Yeah,

Emulators, Duranwho? i dont even know what you are talking about.

but stealing is stealing, doesn't matter from who nor what you are stealing. stop worshipping criminals first, maybe than you will understand why stealing is not right.

btw, we are talking about videogames here.
nobody needs videogames for their lifes.
videogames are not food, nor water.
there is no non-twisted excuse, to justify stealing videogames.

they are a luxury to have. everybody has to pay up for them in order to play them. what makes you so special, that you think you own every game ever made for free?

yeah, no moral compass. just twisted excuses.

[Ludus Aurea]

Durante isn't a pirate, he's a modder. He doesn't support pirating and has never once said pirating is ok.

[GnomeDompski]

EDIT: The others are correct that my original statement saying Denuvo had a negative affect on performance was based on debunked information. I removed the parts where I mentioned it but I still think their is other points that are worth a look at so I left the rest.

They also must pay Denuvo to use it in their game, which means less resources went into making the game (not that this game looks to be a sloucher at all).

Denuvo was cracked in less than a week so what was the point of hurting their budget?

Also piracy isn't all bad. Some would never buy it in the first place, so no lost money there. Then those same people may love it and promote the game to others whom some will buy it then. Also this game wasn't guilty but the lack of demos in modern gaming give piracy a legit use as a way to see if a game works on your computer. I have bought games that I have pirated in the past after loving it, such as dying light.

They should redirect their anti piracy resources, and Denuvo budget to taking a more customer friendly stance. They should also try to encourage a more responsible community that see the benefit to such actions as buying a copy of a pirated game that they have enjoyed.

[Ludus Aurea]

No, it doesn't. For a fact it doesn't. We've proven this already.

There isn't a single game where Denuvo has any performance effect. That's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lie pirates use to make themselves feel justified in pirating a game.

[Monkee]

Publicado originalmente por Grenadeh:

Durante isn't a pirate, he's a modder. He doesn't support pirating and has never once said pirating is ok.

I agree with this. Durante has helped for so many games with resolution and texture fixes. He has always encouraged supporting the games.

[JocularJosh]

Publicado originalmente por GnomeDompski:

Denuvo has a negative effect on the performance of any game it is implimented in.

Nope.