Problem is not the price, but the length.

[Gamebot]

Shadow Tactics is an outstanding game. Story and characters are surprisingly solid. For the quality, I can't think of any better game in the same genre. However, at first glimpse, it looks like a model with trendy sunglasses and a fancy jacket, and No Pants. To match the price and the quality, length of the game also matters.

Most decent games in the range of $40 ~ $60 provide about 100 hours of game time. I've tried the Demo, and it seems the game takes about 1 hour per mission. There are 13 missions, so I'm guessing it'll take 20~25 hours when I finish the game. It's extremely short. To make the game a perfect one, it should have included at least 20 missions.

Some people say that there're replayability and achievements, but if you play other games(GTA, Witcher, Divinity, X-com, Fallout, Borderlands) like that, it takes at least 200~400 hours. Shadow Tactics is mostly linear, or gives you 2~3 options at best, so it won't actually grant you much replayability.

Most of you guys didn't actually finish the game, and the same goes for many positive reviews on Steam. After 10 days later, if the content of the game is not rich enough, there might be some people who actually regret the purchase.

I'm not complaining about the price. I don't want the price to be lowered. It's just hard to be immersed in the game when the length of the game is only 25 hours. I just wish devs could make more DLCs. If devs can make 5 to 15 more missions with the same quality, I can pay whatever they want.

[Gamebot]

引用自 Straddy：

Dude you can go on twitch.tv and watch the videos of liriks playthrough. As i said he played it on sub-sunday and it took him around 1 hour per mission. You don't have to believe my word, just watch his videos...

But whatever this discussion is pointless since you seem kinda delusional like a lot of other ppl. said before me... i give up believe whatever you want i'm outta here.

No. I'm not denying those videos. I also can play episodes from 1 to 7 in 6 hours with every opportunity and hint, but it doesn't mean that you finished Hitman(TM). IT'S KIND OF A TUTORIAL. They made 'TUTORIAL' for beginners, and you're now saying it takes 6 hours to finish Hitman(TM), got it? If you can't believe me, go to the Hitman forum and ask people if it really takes 6 hours to finish 7 episodes. People will laugh. Stop talking and go ask it to the people. This wasn't a discussion from the start cause you were talking about things that you don't even know from the start.

[Straddy]

He finished every mission though, that's completing the whole game in my book, since there are no missions left. It's exactly what you complain about in this game. If you take the easiest route all the time, you finish a game really fast, let it be Hitman, Thief, Commandos or Shadow Tactics. If you take your time, take up challenges it take much longer and you can or even have to replay certain missions to get it all and that takes up way more time. I understand what you want to say but you gotta understand that this game has exactly the same amout of gameplay length and depth like Hitman if you play it the same way. That's all i'm saying.... Also i don't really need to ask people in their forum because you will get fanboy answers like yours. If you just check the review page on steam it shows you that, just like i said, most people need 15-20 hours to complete HitmanTM. That doesn't make it a bad game though and i'm prettty sure you can do a lot more in that game just like you said, however the same applies to Shadow Tactics. So all you complain about is nonsense...

[Gamebot]

引用自 Straddy：

He finished every mission though, that's completing the whole game in my book, since there are no missions left. It's exactly what you complain about in this game. If you take the easiest route all the time, you finish a game really fast, let it be Hitman, Thief, Commandos or Shadow Tactics. If you take your time, take up challenges it take much longer and you can or even have to replay certain missions to get it all and that takes up way more time. I understand what you want to say but you gotta understand that this game has exactly the same amout of gameplay length and depth like Hitman if you play it the same way. That's all i'm saying.... Also i don't really need to ask people in their forum because you will get fanboy answers like yours. If you just check the review page on steam it shows you that, just like i said, most people need 15-20 hours to complete HitmanTM. That doesn't make it a bad game though and i'm prettty sure you can do a lot more in that game just like you said, however the same applies to Shadow Tactics. So all you complain about is nonsense...

IT IS TUTORIAL. Don't you know what tutorial is? I'm fed up with your same lame excuses, so I didn't read your words. Stop talking and go to the Hitman(TM) forum and write a post, "Can I finish Hitman in 6 hours?". Let's talk after you write the post.

[Straddy]

No it's not a tutorial. He played all 7 of 7 available missions and finished them. And yes he did it in around 6-7 hours. Also multiple people on the HitmanTM review site say that you can finish the WHOLE GAME in 7-10 hours if you play fast. But as i said before most people took around 15-20 just check the HitmanTM shop-site yourself. ALL MISSIONS, not the tutorial...

[ventrix]

引用自 Finanzberater：

Comparing several games from developer studio with 100+ (edit: for example CD Project does have over whooping 450!) employees with several games in their book to a pretty young developer with 20 employees (edit: daedalic under 150...) with 2 games(?) is pretty daring.

Bad comparison. CD Project also runs the 2nd biggest digital market place for pc games.
Daedalic basically does some 2d games, which can be done by 1-2 programmers and 1-2 designers (I could build a prototype of this game in 2 weeks alone, would just need the assets for it). They also don't use inhouse engines, like CD Project that developed their own RED Engine from scratch (this game uses Unity).

Also many don't seem to know: CD Project is NOT a new developer. It was founded 1994, which makes it one of the oldest developers.

[Gamebot]

引用自 Straddy：

No it's not a tutorial. He played all 7 of 7 available missions and finished them. And yes he did it in around 6-7 hours. Also multiple people on the HitmanTM review site say that you can finish the WHOLE GAME in 7-10 hours if you play fast. But as i said before most people took around 15-20 just check the HitmanTM shop-site yourself. ALL MISSIONS, not the tutorial...

Stop talking and go to the Hitman(TM) forum and write a post, "Can I finish Hitman in 6 hours?".

[Straddy]

why would i if i watched a streamer on twitch.tv finishing it live in around 6 hours? i know it is possible so i don't need delusional fanboys like you answering me a question i already know the answer to...

[Gamebot]

引用自 Straddy：

why would i if i watched a streamer on twitch.tv finishing it live in around 6 hours? i know it is possible so i don't need delusional fanboys like you answering me a question i already know the answer to...

Stop talking and go to the Hitman(TM) forum and write a post, "Can I finish Hitman in 6 hours?".

[ventrix]

It is possible to finish Dark Souls in 1.5 hours.
Does this make any difference to a normal player that puts in 80hrs?

If you like boring games that waste your lifetime (like FF15 with their random fights and 20min+ driving scenes), then why don't you just go play these games and be done with it?
No one gives a rats ass about your "opinion", no one asked you!
If the game is not for you, don't buy it. There is no reason - not a single one - to go to a forum and whine about it, just because you want people to pat your back and say "yes, you're a god and absolutely right".

[M0S5Y.ctn]

Thought I'd throw my 2 cents into this ridiculous topic as well.

26 hours in, at the final mission now. Both length and price are absolutely fine in my book. Wouldn't have mind paying the same price for half the game time, either. It's a quality game and the pricing is more than fair, especially considering how much extra game time you can get out of it if you're into trying to do all the optional challenges.

I'd also love to hear about all those "decent 40-60€ games that get you 100+ hours of gameplay" because if you'd actually take a look at game pricings and the time it takes to beat said games you'd realise that this statement is a tad ridiculous.

引用自 ventrix：

It is possible to finish Dark Souls in 1.5 hours.
Does this make any difference to a normal player that puts in 80hrs?

Also, this.

[Vault Traveler]

引用自 Gamebot：

引用自 Straddy：

I haven't played the new hitman, however i watched lirik (twitch) play it on stream, it took him around 1 hour per mission, 6 missions around 6 hours., it sells for 50 euros.

If you check the reviews a lot of people on hitman tm spent around 15-20 hour before reviewing the game, thats around the same time you need for shadow tactics. Those who took more time with the game replayed the missions and just took different ways to finish it, the very same thing you can do with shadow tactics. But hey, thanks for proving my point with your own example ;)

You definitely haven't played Hitman(TM). He took 1 hour per mission cause he played it easiest way with every hints and opportunities. It takes about 10 hours per mission(episodes) to beat 'Silent Assassin, Suit Only' mode. You'd rather be careful if you don't know what you're talking about.

What? Doing that in Hitman is super 100+ hours gameplay, doing the same in shadow tactics is boring and 20 hours?
Are you living in the twilight zone?

And no dont answer please i am done with you mate, go play Hitman(TM).

[Vault Traveler]

引用自 ventrix：

引用自 Finanzberater：

Comparing several games from developer studio with 100+ (edit: for example CD Project does have over whooping 450!) employees with several games in their book to a pretty young developer with 20 employees (edit: daedalic under 150...) with 2 games(?) is pretty daring.

Bad comparison. CD Project also runs the 2nd biggest digital market place for pc games.
Daedalic basically does some 2d games, which can be done by 1-2 programmers and 1-2 designers (I could build a prototype of this game in 2 weeks alone, would just need the assets for it). They also don't use inhouse engines, like CD Project that developed their own RED Engine from scratch (this game uses Unity).

Also many don't seem to know: CD Project is NOT a new developer. It was founded 1994, which makes it one of the oldest developers.

You should read more carefully.

[Gamebot]

引用自 Finanzberater：

doing the same in shadow tactics is boring and 20 hours?

I never said things like that. Don't make up stories in your mind.

[Vault Traveler]

引用自 Gamebot：

引用自 Finanzberater：

doing the same in shadow tactics is boring and 20 hours?

I never said things like that. Don't make up stories in your mind.

Yeah, what ever.

[Herreken]

引用自 Zoopy：

引用自 Idlihx10：

You don't understand what you're talking about do you? You may argue that you like short fun games period, ok I get it. But don't take me out of context when you interpret "hit and run" to mean ALL 20 hour games. I was referring to any short game that gives you a quick high, then loses its appeal because there's not enough variety to provide for a different game experience the next time.

If you like to replay short games for hundreds of hours but each replay doesn't add anything new to each subsequent experience, then you are arguing about your personal preference. It does not in any way make the game fun through inherent (as opposed to preferential) replayability.

And I'm telling you that not everyone values games based on their replayability. It's just not important to everyone. Maybe you would understand this if you actually spent as much time reading the posts you respond to, as you do insulting the people behind them.

You're taking your opinion of what makes a game fun and applying it to the rest of us, and it simply doesn't work that way. I tend not to care about replayability because I'm not a poor basement dweller with more time than money, demanding endless playtime out of every $20 or $40 purchase I make. Once I finish a game I can just find another one to occupy my time.

Agreed. Replay value isn't a factor for me when I buy games. After finishing a game, I move on to the next one. Doesn't matter if I spend 10 or 100 hours on a game. I don't want to replay a game right after finishing it. There are so many other games to play.

That being said, I don't think 25 hours for a $40 is that bad. I'll still wait for a sale though.