this game is FLICKING p2w Trash !?!!

[Simpl31nsane]

Can't do anything without money . it take grind for 2-3 years just to even by able to fight any monsters. Scaling is broken .Drops from enemies useless. My.com are Greedy bastards. Just check how bad Allods online is. Allods team is well know Scam Company just like my.com .Staling stupid people money .better off Uninstall and Report this trash ..

[Mr.Hmm]

The game isnt even p2w.

Stop whining.

Scalling is not broken.

[Daedalus007]

Yes the game is pay to win. There's no doubt about this.

If you pay enough money ("whaling") then you will receive the following benefits:

• always win Pantheon Wars (if you get enough other people to do the same thing).
  
• always win PvP (especially if you pay to unlock Revenant, the most OP broken class so far).
  
• always be at the top of the Operations so that you get the best perks/benefits
  
• always reach the top 5 ranks of the bi-weekly stuff like Inghar Test Area (normal & Pantheon)

Now this is mitigated by the fact that those who have been playing from the very beginning (without pause) and have not stopped doing dailies every time CAN possibly have caught up to the whales.

The reality is that MyCom removed the conversion of Credits (in-game currency) to Argents (premium currency) as well as making nearly everything in the in-game shop (Market) cost Argents.

No, you won't EVER have as much Might as those who won Pantheon Wars in 2015/2016.
No, you won't EVER be able to catch up to a whale when it comes to raw stats/power.

Paying for power = pay to win. It doesn't matter if PvP is nonexistant/dead. It is still pay to win.

Every time you do a run, it bumps you to the next 'difficulty level' unless you manually change it by selecting the difficulty and lowering it back down. For example start on 1* difficulty and then it makes you do 2* next time unless you manually select 1*.

It doesn't seem to force the selection after you manually choose a lower difficulty. Problem is this menu was designed for mouse so those using controller may have issues with it or not realize you can do that. Also if you go past 5* you are stuck in the next bracket of difficulties and cannot change them.

If you are unable or unwilling to play a P2W game then please uninstall. The devs don't seem to care at all about critcism despite the best efforts of the NA team to let them know about it. They broke controller support that was working fine prior to the Ascension patch (alongside many other things) and they're planning to do a huge Bastion nerf to gimp people into either playing glass cannons or doing crappier DPS as tank/support.

Yes MyCom are greedy. Yes the devs are RU derps that don't care at all about the playerbase outside of the RU territories. Yes MyCom has worked with the RU govt to data-farm information about their players and use that for malicous purposes (so please don't give them any real info or personal payment info). They've also been involved in some shady stuff with having their launcher torrent and upload data (not just game data but your personal computer files) to various IP addresses in the RU territories.

I've bypassed a lot of this stuff by using Steam and keeping an eye on firewall logs to only allow connection to the specific game servers and nothing else.

[Holy♥]

It's F2P... You cannot expect so much for a F2P game. I can play with P2W and all 'cause I'm not play to win, I'm play to fun :) If I need to pay to get something that interests me, I do it, why not? If the game is fun, it's worth it.

[Holy♥]

Example: Warframe are P2W, but nobody hate the game for this because it's a fun game :) You can pay to get OP frames, OP ships, OP pets and weapons, but I cant see people talking sh** about the game because it's so fkn fun xD

[Daedalus007]

WarFrame (WF) isn't pay to win. It is literally a pure co-op focused experience. EVERYTHING revolves around working together to complete the missions. PvP is there even though barely anyone plays it aside from getting a few mods that aren't even worth it so PvP is about as dead as this game.

The method of obtaining specific frames/gear requires you to research how to do it via the wiki and find out where to farm the materials and what to do for it. Certain frames like Excalibur aren't even obtainable until near the last few planets unless you picked him as a starter.

The most important reason SkyForge is pay to win is that it REMOVED the ability for players to convert credits to argents.

WF not only allows player to player trading, but allows players to trade for platinum (cash shop currency) as well. The 'whales' in that game can literally provide items to others via trading.
Most importantly, WF has English-speaking developers that communicate regularly with their community. The WF devs aren't perfect by any means but significantly better communication than MyCom.

Path of Exile is another game that is fully F2P and zero pay to win (100% cosmetic with some optional storage space expansions).

Nearly every game by PWE (Perfect World Entertainment) including Star Trek Online has pay to win elements but offsets it by allowing players to use an exchange to trade premium earned currency into cash shop currency. Most of these games also focus on a PvE experience.

[Gothicc Feeldoe]

Originally posted by Daedalus007:

WarFrame (WF) isn't pay to win. It is literally a pure co-op focused experience. EVERYTHING revolves around working together to complete the missions. PvP is there even though barely anyone plays it aside from getting a few mods that aren't even worth it so PvP is about as dead as this game.

The method of obtaining specific frames/gear requires you to research how to do it via the wiki and find out where to farm the materials and what to do for it. Certain frames like Excalibur aren't even obtainable until near the last few planets unless you picked him as a starter.

The most important reason SkyForge is pay to win is that it REMOVED the ability for players to convert credits to argents.

WF not only allows player to player trading, but allows players to trade for platinum (cash shop currency) as well. The 'whales' in that game can literally provide items to others via trading.
Most importantly, WF has English-speaking developers that communicate regularly with their community. The WF devs aren't perfect by any means but significantly better communication than MyCom.

Path of Exile is another game that is fully F2P and zero pay to win (100% cosmetic with some optional storage space expansions).

Nearly every game by PWE (Perfect World Entertainment) including Star Trek Online has pay to win elements but offsets it by allowing players to use an exchange to trade premium earned currency into cash shop currency. Most of these games also focus on a PvE experience.

You claim its not pay to win yet there are so many dlcs for the game and on top of that the prime frames being far superior to the normal frames. Sure you can grind for frames but the prime frames take an insane amount of time to just get one. The devs offer you the shortcut to just drop money on the game to instantly get the frame. Then ofc you have the smaller microtransactions with armor and addons to your character and guns that cost that cash shop currency.

Skyforge used to not be pay to win, until the company had mass firing that happened before the game hit steam. Now it leans more into the whole mobile business model that rubs off as pay to win but really isn't. It falls close to the same boat as warframe only difference is the grinding isn't as bad but it is tedious.

[Daedalus007]

Originally posted by Thanos Bae:

You claim its not pay to win yet there are so many dlcs for the game and on top of that the prime frames being far superior to the normal frames. Sure you can grind for frames but the prime frames take an insane amount of time to just get one. The devs offer you the shortcut to just drop money on the game to instantly get the frame. Then ofc you have the smaller microtransactions with armor and addons to your character and guns that cost that cash shop currency.

Skyforge used to not be pay to win, until the company had mass firing that happened before the game hit steam. Now it leans more into the whole mobile business model that rubs off as pay to win but really isn't. It falls close to the same boat as warframe only difference is the grinding isn't as bad but it is tedious.

Responding to a post I made almost 30 days ago? Ok. >_>
DLC /=/ pay to win
Prime frames are not 'superior' to normal frames, just have different polarities. If you grind mats to Forma your frame enough times then you can have the same polarity slots as a Prime Frame. The stat differences are there but negligible at best.
The main reason people want a prime is when doing Orokin runs (free energy for all nearby allies) and because it looks cool.
If you knew anything about WarFrame you know that 'endgame is Fashion Frame'. :P

I'd like a source for this 'mass firing' as you claim. Didn't hear anything about it nor have I been able to find it via internet searching. I don't speak Russian so it may be a Russian-exclusive news thing.

In other SkyForge news, the Xbox launch has been an unmitigated disaster alongside the PS4 one. MyCom is claiming people's purchases never went through and sitting on their money (while collecting interest) and falsely accusing Sony/Microsoft of failing to provide proper payment details or something. Seems they took a page straight from the PayPal version of screwing over customers long enough to collect interest on other people's money.

That said, I hope MyCom gets shut down by the US Govt for running malware/spyware and a potential money-laundering operation in collusion with the Russian Govt. No ♥♥♥♥♥ will be given.

[beeda2004]

Pay to win means you cannot finish the game without real money payment and this game dont have this problems, allods was pay to win at start where you must buy gear from premium shop to be able go into highlevel dungeons and raids, but thats removed about 4 years back i think.

Another game was diablo like action rpg where you can play only few lvl and have only white and green gear blue and higher was hidden behind payment same like continuing in game another game is wizzard 101 where you cannot play higher lvl without purchasing for real money.

Many games from starting web flash era like the west, grepolis or shakes and fidget are "Pay for Time" style, shorting cd's or purchasing energy for continue play thats more accurate for this game too same like thousands other games.

btw Daedalus007 learn how working torrent maybe you will find why comunicate with system files, and second thing what helps dont download porn from unsafety pages.

[𝕊𝕙𝕒𝕚𝕕𝕠𝕟]

People have their own definition of "pay to win", as happens with many other words and expressions.

For me, "to win" is to achieve your objective. You want to defeat a boss, you do, you win. You want to acquire a weapon, you got it, you win. You are competing, you end up victorious, you win.
"To pay", means using real money. That is most likely be converted in X types of virtual currency. And doesn't matter that the currency can be acquired through playing the game, what is usually at pretty slow rate than spending the real world currency on it.

That by itself is not a issue, unless you are interfering in someone elses fun. And I'm not considering hurting pride here. I mean on a competive enviroment. Some rare event or competition that gave an edge, or significant advantages to whom payed real money to improve their game. It's shameful, but who gives a F*** when there is money involved? We are selfish in the matter of "win".

[Xbob42]

Ah, to be a kid with enough time and gumption to defend a middling-to-poor quality MMO on Steam. Those were the days.

[AnimeBrigade]

I havent played this game, but the fact this kid is saying that while only having 3 hours just makes me laugh

[Uriel]

The game isn't pay to win. It's pay to advance fast. You can advance at a slower pace, but noooo, kids those days take WoW as a model for MMORPGs, and thus think one month is a very long time to reach max level, so anything longer than that is OMFG so unfair.

There was a time when a YEAR to reach max lvl was considered fast. Patience is a difficult concept for mortals, but apparently for immortals and gods too !