Best ship?

[Andersen]

Im sailing around with three ships ofg the line, 1 class, im wondering if any better ships then those ? I know about manilla, but i dont see why they are better then first ship of the line

[SomberFlight]

Manilla seems like a second rate. and no there is no better than a first rate(if you're not looking for speed, of course)... but the first rates in this game is only 1 type. like i know a couple of ottoman first rates and spanish first rates with 140 cannons. and there was portuguese 140 gun war carrack named Santa Catarina do monte sinai(it was built in india).but unfortunately the ships have very limited models. i hope they improve it and add new models for each ship type...(btw only english called them ''ship of the line'' all other languages(including ottoman turkish) was calling them galleons.. (like a 90-gun galleon instead of second rate ship of the line) (and its really weird to call a(86 if i remember correctly) 86-gun galleon as manilla galleon since manilla galleons were trade ships that operated asia-europe and not warships(if i'm correct.))

[Sinsling]

The only advantage manillas have are their cargo. At 150 base cargo they have the largest hold of any ship in the game. Alexander makes a good point though... they where trade galleons. Spain wouldn't really be fielding them as front-line warships unless they where desperate.

[His Holiness, Pope Tsipar I]

Originally posted by Alexander:

Manilla seems like a second rate. and no there is no better than a first rate(if you're not looking for speed, of course)... but the first rates in this game is only 1 type. like i know a couple of ottoman first rates and spanish first rates with 140 cannons. and there was portuguese 140 gun war carrack named Santa Catarina do monte sinai(it was built in india).but unfortunately the ships have very limited models. i hope they improve it and add new models for each ship type...(btw only english called them ''ship of the line'' all other languages(including ottoman turkish) was calling them galleons.. (like a 90-gun galleon instead of second rate ship of the line) (and its really weird to call a(86 if i remember correctly) 86-gun galleon as manilla galleon since manilla galleons were trade ships that operated asia-europe and not warships(if i'm correct.))

No, manilla warships were found in the colonies, and they did have war purposes. Mainly to transport troops, but they were used.

[SomberFlight]

Originally posted by friedjp:

Originally posted by Alexander:

Manilla seems like a second rate. and no there is no better than a first rate(if you're not looking for speed, of course)... but the first rates in this game is only 1 type. like i know a couple of ottoman first rates and spanish first rates with 140 cannons. and there was portuguese 140 gun war carrack named Santa Catarina do monte sinai(it was built in india).but unfortunately the ships have very limited models. i hope they improve it and add new models for each ship type...(btw only english called them ''ship of the line'' all other languages(including ottoman turkish) was calling them galleons.. (like a 90-gun galleon instead of second rate ship of the line) (and its really weird to call a(86 if i remember correctly) 86-gun galleon as manilla galleon since manilla galleons were trade ships that operated asia-europe and not warships(if i'm correct.))

No, manilla warships were found in the colonies, and they did have war purposes. Mainly to transport troops, but they were used.

Thank you. didnt know that.

[Sai Kyouji]

Arent war versions just equipped with more guns with less cargo?

[gravos_frappe_fort]

War versions, would be refitted i guess, change of crew and sailors, better guns and bigger and safer gunpowder magazine. Then yeah more space for troop transports and a bigger cantina. But that's all rather easy. However it's a reffiting and not really the first purpose of the ships, i guess there were some structural differences.

[SomberFlight]

there was structural differences. but that was why warships were made instead of war refittable trade ships. a trade ship like a galleon or indiaman or carrack can be very well used for battle but can never be as effective as a warship on battlefield..(seafield?) indiamans , fluyts and galleons had guns and was tradeships and they actually was used for battle time to time when things was desperate. but only warships were Refitted to tradeships(such as most of fourth-rates turning into various hospital and barracks and slave-transports). turning a tradeship into a warship is not easy and not cheap.. and number of gunports really distinguish a tradeship from a battleship.. i dont remember anyone cutting gunports into a not-gunned deck of a tradeship(this might be me not knowing enough too.)

[gravos_frappe_fort]

But you could refit in the sense that you would go to a higher caliber of guns while using the same gunport. I was also thinking of ramming, as tradeships would probably really not be suitable for that. Also warships probably had carpenters and their tools and so on as they knew they'd get hit, while anything but the bare minimum would be a waste of space for tradeships. That could also probably be applied to many other functions and jobs.

[SomberFlight]

you're right about carpenter and such part. most warships(if its employed under a nation) had people like a medic and carpenter.. but think like this... warships had more and heavier guns. always.(spanish galleons can be an exception here. you cant know what those guys will do with their galleons.) and trade ships were made from much lighter and softer wood. so its actually more than just less-hp. they should deal less damage with ramming and they should recieve more damage from cannon damage and ramming(both when enemy rams them or they ram someone)

[gravos_frappe_fort]

Yes i agree refitting a tradeship anyway is a temporary fix, not a solution i mean as you said softer woods, probably a different frame too, and boarding actions, troops transport and landings etc .. were never included.

For the guns, i think you could refitt bigger guns but never as big as warships though true. Also warships probably had more row boats than tradeship who would only need it in cases of emergencies.

I also wonder what were the specificities of ships made to explore, i mean a full warship while more independant might be too bulky to be used efficiently, and it would require some more specific materials for repairs etc...

[SomberFlight]

for only exploring they used what they can best for speed. more like a lighter tradeship-like ship with not trade goods but supplies. probably most famous types of ships for exploration is caravels and carracks(as far as i remember caravels was never used for war as they were too weak for it. in early times(before carracks and galleons) caravels would be implemented for trade but as they were small and fast they were mostly used for exploration.) and most of the people used small carracks for exploring.. they almost didnt had any ''specification'' and were like light trade ships as i said

[Mebbwebb]

Originally posted by Alexander:

Manilla seems like a second rate. and no there is no better than a first rate(if you're not looking for speed, of course)... but the first rates in this game is only 1 type. like i know a couple of ottoman first rates and spanish first rates with 140 cannons. and there was portuguese 140 gun war carrack named Santa Catarina do monte sinai(it was built in india).but unfortunately the ships have very limited models. i hope they improve it and add new models for each ship type...(btw only english called them ''ship of the line'' all other languages(including ottoman turkish) was calling them galleons.. (like a 90-gun galleon instead of second rate ship of the line) (and its really weird to call a(86 if i remember correctly) 86-gun galleon as manilla galleon since manilla galleons were trade ships that operated asia-europe and not warships(if i'm correct.))

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila_galleon

they had a specific purpose and route

[Mebbwebb]

Originally posted by friedjp:

Originally posted by Alexander:

Manilla seems like a second rate. and no there is no better than a first rate(if you're not looking for speed, of course)... but the first rates in this game is only 1 type. like i know a couple of ottoman first rates and spanish first rates with 140 cannons. and there was portuguese 140 gun war carrack named Santa Catarina do monte sinai(it was built in india).but unfortunately the ships have very limited models. i hope they improve it and add new models for each ship type...(btw only english called them ''ship of the line'' all other languages(including ottoman turkish) was calling them galleons.. (like a 90-gun galleon instead of second rate ship of the line) (and its really weird to call a(86 if i remember correctly) 86-gun galleon as manilla galleon since manilla galleons were trade ships that operated asia-europe and not warships(if i'm correct.))

No, manilla warships were found in the colonies, and they did have war purposes. Mainly to transport troops, but they were used.

sorta.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila_galleon

[SomberFlight]

Originally posted by Mebbwebb:

Originally posted by Alexander:

Manilla seems like a second rate. and no there is no better than a first rate(if you're not looking for speed, of course)... but the first rates in this game is only 1 type. like i know a couple of ottoman first rates and spanish first rates with 140 cannons. and there was portuguese 140 gun war carrack named Santa Catarina do monte sinai(it was built in india).but unfortunately the ships have very limited models. i hope they improve it and add new models for each ship type...(btw only english called them ''ship of the line'' all other languages(including ottoman turkish) was calling them galleons.. (like a 90-gun galleon instead of second rate ship of the line) (and its really weird to call a(86 if i remember correctly) 86-gun galleon as manilla galleon since manilla galleons were trade ships that operated asia-europe and not warships(if i'm correct.))

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila_galleon

they had a specific purpose and route

does anything there or anything you said cross with what i said? i'm not sure what you're trying to say. i may gave little info about them as i think if they're for war or trade was more relevant to the conversation rather than specific details about the trade routes and ships that was called manilla galleons.* (hmm.. i misspell!)

[gravos_frappe_fort]

Ok, thanks for the info ;). Also to confirm, i never read anything other than swivel gun for a good ratotative artillery, did anyone else read anything about that ?

and it's sad we cannot see portugal as their fleet would tear through the others, like thise we'd have a sea specific faction. ( for their land troops were nothing to brag about ).