This translation makes no sense to me. (Major spoilers for chapter 5)

[YayPepsi]

Spoilers for who dies in chapter 5

So I reached this part and I didn't understand what Hinata was trying to say here:
http://i.imgur.com/anz7f1f.png

I ended up having to look up a fan translation and it was completely different. It said "I made up my mind then. A guy like him dying would be at the end of this idiotic life of murder we've been living. Looking at his dead body, there's no way anyone could have predicted it! But then Komaeda himself probably would agree that it was the only way for him to go out. His face looked heroic in death, but looking at everything else, I couldn't believe that..."

I never would have gotten that meaning out of the official translation. Was it just me?

(Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to put down the official translation. This part was just weird for me.)

[Pikaman20008]

Most likely the fan translation took liberties with that part, as they are oft to do. I think what Hajime was trying to say was that he and Nagito would never meet again ince they got off the island, but that he would still be alive. But he didn't expect to find Nagito dead, and Nagito wasn't expecting to die.

[LimeCatMaster]

But Nagito orchestrated his own death. He fully expected to die. He practically wanted it the whole game.

I think what Hajime is saying is aiming for more of a "you don't know what you have until it's gone" sort of vibe. Hajime never really realized just what Nagito's motives were until he was gone. Seeing Nagito dead was the point where Hajime became truly determined, filled with hope, to never let a killing happen again. Nagito ended up martyring himself.

So the whole "Nagito would agree" thing, I think, refers to that. Nagito never fully realized it, but filling his friends with hope by killing himself would mean that yeah, he's gonna die. And dying means he wouldn't see those friends again.

OF course, we'll see if the power of hope brings the dead back after all sooner or later, I imagine.

[Pikaman20008]

Originally posted by LimeCatMaster:

But Nagito orchestrated his own death. He fully expected to die. He practically wanted it the whole game.

Well we don't know that he did that yet at this point. And also, at this point the killing had pretty much stopped and Nagito was focused on finding the traitor. Also also, in the class trial of chapter 4 he said he was no longer willing to be killed by one of them for the sake of their hope.

[LimeCatMaster]

But you're totally missing my point though. Whether or not they knew Nagito died intentionally, it's still seems pretty clear to me, like I said, that Nagito didn't seem to fully realze exactly what it would mean for him to die. Seeing himself as worthless, he didn't know until after the fact that he actually did have friends.

Also, why would you take what he said in the 4th trial seriously? When was he ever fully trustworthy up to that point? He was lying, bro.

[Pikaman20008]

Originally posted by LimeCatMaster:

But you're totally missing my point though. Whether or not they knew Nagito died intentionally, it's still seems pretty clear to me, like I said, that Nagito didn't seem to fully realze exactly what it would mean for him to die. Seeing himself as worthless, he didn't know until after the fact that he actually did have friends.

Also, why would you take what he said in the 4th trial seriously? When was he ever fully trustworthy up to that point? He was lying, bro.

But, he wasn't he said he no longer was willing to die for their hopes. And why would he lie about that when he was so open about that before? And obviously he wasn't lying since he knew at that point that everyone sans the traitor was a Remnant of Despair, so yeah, he wouldn't want to die for their hopes.

[YayPepsi]

Originally posted by Pikaman20008:

Most likely the fan translation took liberties with that part, as they are oft to do. I think what Hajime was trying to say was that he and Nagito would never meet again ince they got off the island, but that he would still be alive. But he didn't expect to find Nagito dead, and Nagito wasn't expecting to die.

Hm, but in this case I think the fan translation is more clear than the official translation. I can see what he's trying to say there. The official translation just makes me scratch my head.

"Deep down, I believed that when the killings finally ended I'd never see this guy again."

I'm not sure what that line has to do with anything. Why did he assume he'd never see Komaeda once they killings ended or why he didn't take into account that there was as much a chance for Komaeda to die as any of them? It just seems like an odd thing for him to bring up.

[LimeCatMaster]

Originally posted by Pikaman20008:

Originally posted by LimeCatMaster:

But you're totally missing my point though. Whether or not they knew Nagito died intentionally, it's still seems pretty clear to me, like I said, that Nagito didn't seem to fully realze exactly what it would mean for him to die. Seeing himself as worthless, he didn't know until after the fact that he actually did have friends.

Also, why would you take what he said in the 4th trial seriously? When was he ever fully trustworthy up to that point? He was lying, bro.

But, he wasn't he said he no longer was willing to die for their hopes. And why would he lie about that when he was so open about that before? And obviously he wasn't lying since he knew at that point that everyone sans the traitor was a Remnant of Despair, so yeah, he wouldn't want to die for their hopes.

okay man

[Pikaman20008]

Originally posted by LimeCatMaster:

Originally posted by Pikaman20008:

But, he wasn't he said he no longer was willing to die for their hopes. And why would he lie about that when he was so open about that before? And obviously he wasn't lying since he knew at that point that everyone sans the traitor was a Remnant of Despair, so yeah, he wouldn't want to die for their hopes.

okay man

What? It's true. That what was said in the game. I'm not being defensive or anything, that's what was in the game.

[asdbanz]

Nagito's will - kill everybody exept traitor. If you die you don't have any hope. So Nagito was killed for nobody's hope as he wished.

[LimeCatMaster]

Originally posted by Pikaman20008:

Originally posted by LimeCatMaster:

okay man

What? It's true. That what was said in the game. I'm not being defensive or anything, that's what was in the game.

okay man

[Pikaman20008]

Originally posted by LimeCatMaster:

Originally posted by Pikaman20008:

What? It's true. That what was said in the game. I'm not being defensive or anything, that's what was in the game.

okay man

Seriously, what do you mean by that? I'm honestly not certain.

[LimeCatMaster]

Originally posted by Pikaman20008:

Originally posted by LimeCatMaster:

okay man

Seriously, what do you mean by that? I'm honestly not certain.

okay man

[Pikaman20008]

Originally posted by LimeCatMaster:

Originally posted by Pikaman20008:

Seriously, what do you mean by that? I'm honestly not certain.

okay man

Okay, if you say "okay man" one more time you are basically admitting that I'm right as you are no longer contributing to the discussion.

[hoptrough67]

I'll admit, I fail to see the confusion here. Hajime actively dislikes Nagito, and so figured that once they escaped the island he'd never actively/willingly be around Nagito again. However, he also thought, Nagito being Nagito, that he wouldn't be murdered, especially cosidering the characters left at this point. Remember also that at this point Hajime still thinks Nagito was a murder victim, and thus that Nagito didn't want his death to happen.

[hoptrough67]

In fact, now that I look at it, that fan translation is straight up terrible! The English is wonky at best and incomprehensible at worst. Seriously, what is that second sentance even trying to say. Additionally, it's straight up wrong about the scene itself:

• This scene is meant to shock the audience with Nagito dying, not be "the only way for him to go out"
  
• A single look at the body picture will show you that Nagito's expression is one of pain and fear, not heroism.
  
• BTW, how the ♥♥♥♥ is Nagito's death in any way meant to be ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ heroic. Nagito is pretty much the secondary antagonist antagonist of the game, who's plan in this death is to get everyone except an anonymous traitor killed for his demented ideology. I adore the character, but 'hero' is one of the furthest words from what he is.