Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair

Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair

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Is Byakuya alive or not?
Recently finished Goodbye Despair, but really surprised that Byakuya actually entered the last class trial and I didn't get a proper answer how his life played out in this story. Is he a time traveler? Or an illusion? He wasn't an illusion right? He straight up survived the killing school life in Hope's Peak Academy. At the beginning of Goodbye Despair, he died right immediately as the first victim. Why can he even come back from death? I don't understand.
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Savage Source May 29, 2019 @ 4:38pm 
Originally posted by Riedy:
https://danganronpa.fandom.com/wiki/Ultimate_Imposter

It wasn't Byakuya, it was another student who was (poorly) pretending to be him.

Then the Ultimate Imposter wasn't poorly pretending to be him because he convinced me easily just like how Mukuro convinced me earlier that she was Junko. So the imposter was the one who died at the beginning. So our Byakuya is alive, right?
Leigh May 29, 2019 @ 8:17pm 
Byakuya gave into Macdonalds
Savage Source May 30, 2019 @ 6:16am 
Originally posted by Leigh:
Byakuya gave into Macdonalds

That sounds grotesque.
Originally posted by Riedy:
https://danganronpa.fandom.com/wiki/Ultimate_Imposter

It wasn't Byakuya, it was another student who was (poorly) pretending to be him.

This is canonically correct. The person who was Twogami at the beginning of the game WAS NOT the actual Togami. Byakuya was shown with Kyoko and Makoto during the Epilogue as well, as a member of the Future Foundation. The Despair Arc of the DR3 anime (NOT to be confused with the dumpster fire that is V3) explains The Ultimate Imposter in a little more detail.
Savage Source Jun 1, 2019 @ 10:27am 
Originally posted by Debra Kadabra:
Originally posted by Riedy:
https://danganronpa.fandom.com/wiki/Ultimate_Imposter

It wasn't Byakuya, it was another student who was (poorly) pretending to be him.

This is canonically correct. The person who was Twogami at the beginning of the game WAS NOT the actual Togami. Byakuya was shown with Kyoko and Makoto during the Epilogue as well, as a member of the Future Foundation. The Despair Arc of the DR3 anime (NOT to be confused with the dumpster fire that is V3) explains The Ultimate Imposter in a little more detail.

While we're at the topic, I finished watching the whole series of cutscenes of Ultra Despair Girls and right now I'm watching the Future and Despair arc simultaneously as some of the guide said it so to follow the story correctly. The guy who actually impersonated Byakuya was Ryota Mitarai. I had no information about him all this time.
That's why I said that the anime goes into better detail on the Imposter than DR2 does.
Savage Source Jun 1, 2019 @ 3:55pm 
Originally posted by Debra Kadabra:
That's why I said that the anime goes into better detail on the Imposter than DR2 does.

Well, that is my fault when I'm surprised of possible contradictions and I start a discussion about it right off the bat. Maybe I shouldn't, but I rather have multiple discussions about the same topic than having a full forum with just one questionable information never mentioned by anyone. Or at least that's me.
Last edited by Savage Source; Jun 1, 2019 @ 3:55pm
It wasn't questionable information. DR2 misled you about Twogami on purpose, and also masked (see what I did there? XD ) who The Imposter really was. Technically, The Imposter can be no one and everyone.
Savage Source Jun 3, 2019 @ 9:15am 
Originally posted by Debra Kadabra:
It wasn't questionable information. DR2 misled you about Twogami on purpose, and also masked (see what I did there? XD ) who The Imposter really was. Technically, The Imposter can be no one and everyone.

From watching DGR 3 Despair arc, I realized Mikan was talking about her beloved in DGR 2 who's identity was this Imposter....what was that again? You called this fat imposter "Twogami"? Why there's a "w" in this name now? This is not the first time I see this name written like that.
Last edited by Savage Source; Jun 3, 2019 @ 9:18am
Twogami is a fan name for Imposter Togami. I've also seen Fatogami, but that's a bit too cruel IMO. Also, Mikan's "beloved" isn't Twogami. It's Junko.
Savage Source Jun 3, 2019 @ 5:37pm 
Originally posted by Debra Kadabra:
Twogami is a fan name for Imposter Togami. I've also seen Fatogami, but that's a bit too cruel IMO. Also, Mikan's "beloved" isn't Twogami. It's Junko.

But, Twogami was the one who actually praised Mikan the first time. Right? What the heck?! I guess I should keep watching DGR 3 to find out why Mikan's beloved is Junko, but that sounds insane if I think about it. Recently I watched the episode of what Junko and Mukuro did to an entire class like HOLY MOLY! If I were just watching Corpse Party anime in this single episode. Ryota has literally no idea who he met with. For an animator, Ryota doesn't even have the ability to recognize a crazy chick.
Ok, so... the ending of DR2 where Makoto (the real Makoto, not AI Makoto) explains what happened after DR1 shows how the Remnants reacted to Junko's death. I know that the English text of the game mentions that one of the Remnants had intercourse with Junko's corpse, but that may have been a Japanese to English translation issue. Mikan was (and still was during The Tragedy) a skilled nurse. There's nothing saying that Mikan didn't take some of Junko's unfertilized eggs to perform in-vitro fertilization on them. That process might not have worked because it was close to the time where Kamukura allowed himself and the rest of the Remnants to be captured for eventual rehabilitation through the Neo World Program. Also, IVF isn't a 100% guarantee of viable pregnancy in most cases, especially if the conditions weren't optimal for the fertilized egg carrier's body (possibly, again, Mikan) to allow the pregnancy to become viable. The destruction of the civilized world and all that.

You'll see the end result of the interaction of Ryota and Junko. I won't spoiler it since I don't think you've quite gotten to the Hope Arc yet. I also don't think you've gotten far enough to see how Junko truly messed Mikan up mentally, and I won't spoiler that either. Let's just say that Ryota hiding himself away from his classmates (and everyone else) didn't do him any favors as far as true social interaction and picking up the cues that Junko and Mukuro weren't all sweetness and light. Same with Mikan and how she was treated by Hiyoko and also how she was treated before she was scouted for the Academy.

Yes, Twogami did praise Mikan first, but the game led me to believe that during the simulation that she had more of a thing for Hajime before she contracted the Despair Disease. Twogami's short pairing, again using allusion and subtle cues, was with Ibuki.
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Savage Source Jun 4, 2019 @ 4:55pm 
Originally posted by Debra Kadabra:
I know that the English text of the game mentions that one of the Remnants had intercourse with Junko's corpse,

I agree with that. As far as I remember this was mentioned by AI Makoto. I reacted the exact same way like Fuyuhiko did. That AI Makoto also mentioned that someone from the Remnants also took out one or both of Junko's eyes and implanted in their own eye socket in order to directly see the world of her vision, which must have been shown why Junko enjoys despair.

Originally posted by Debra Kadabra:
IVF isn't a 100% guarantee of viable pregnancy in most cases, especially if the conditions weren't optimal for the fertilized egg carrier's body (possibly, again, Mikan) to allow the pregnancy to become viable.

Now that you mention it, It's pretty imaginable that Mikan is this sick. It sounds like Mikan is trying to resurrect Junko or an equivalent of her. If The Ultimate Despair were a male character, then all what he have to do is to have sex with Mikan and that's it, we have a next generation despair character. In fact, the fertilized egg pregnancy must have been performed with a female character because only females has ovary to give birth of a child and I think if the egg is from Junko then it guarantee that the child will also be a female. Just some idea went through my mind.

Originally posted by Debra Kadabra:
You'll see the end result of the interaction of Ryota and Junko. I won't spoiler it since I don't think you've quite gotten to the Hope Arc yet.

Yes, you are right, I'm currently watching the Future and Despair arc simultaneously, much appreciated you prevent me from spoilers. I know exactly we are talking about a decisive point of a story because I bet Hope's arc connects the last piece of puzzle from the beginning of killing school life. Hmmm...talking about puzzles. Junko also likes them for some reason.
Last edited by Savage Source; Jun 4, 2019 @ 4:56pm
Originally posted by Savage Source:
I agree with that. As far as I remember this was mentioned by AI Makoto. I reacted the exact same way like Fuyuhiko did. That AI Makoto also mentioned that someone from the Remnants also took out one or both of Junko's eyes and implanted in their own eye socket in order to directly see the world of her vision, which must have been shown why Junko enjoys despair.

It's funny that you mention Fuyuhiko, as it's HEAVILY implied that he was the recipient of Junko's eye. It's also easy to see that Akane was the one starving herself to feel true despair. It's been a while since my playthrough of the game, so I didn't remember if it was AI Makoto who'd said that or if it was true Makoto.

Originally posted by Savage Source:
Now that you mention it, It's pretty imaginable that Mikan is this sick. It sounds like Mikan is trying to resurrect Junko or an equivalent of her. If The Ultimate Despair were a male character, then all what he have to do is to have sex with Mikan and that's it, we have a next generation despair character. In fact, the fertilized egg pregnancy must have been performed with a female character because only females has ovary to give birth of a child and I think if the egg is from Junko then it guarantee that the child will also be a female. Just some idea went through my mind.

Well... the thing is that IVF doesn't require actual sex. All it requires is sperm for fertilization. With the condition of the world not being optimal, one can then assume that lab conditions weren't 100% clean and due to the stress of the post-apocalyptic world, a guy's little swimmers might not be truly viable for a pregnancy to take hold, not to mention optimal conditions for the uterus too. Mikan, as I said earlier, was skilled enough to extract unfertilized eggs from Junko's ovary/ovaries (depending on what was and wasn't crushed, then depending on if the "punishments" were exaggerations of executions by Monokuma).

Originally posted by Savage Source:
Yes, you are right, I'm currently watching the Future and Despair arc simultaneously, much appreciated you prevent me from spoilers. I know exactly we are talking about a decisive point of a story because I bet Hope's arc connects the last piece of puzzle from the beginning of killing school life. Hmmm...talking about puzzles. Junko also likes them for some reason.

Junko did indeed love puzzles, riddles, and enigmas. What I would suggest if you haven't done so is to find and read an English translation of Danganronpa: Zero (there's one on Wattpad) for more canon backstory on Junko, Mukuro, and the events after the Student Council Killing Game. It details another of Junko's Ultimate talents (she has three). You're also welcome - I'm not the type of person who spoilers people willfully. I have done it accidentally, however. When I was typing up my long post, I had put some borderline spoilers in there but decided to remove them as well as making sure that the text made sense.
Last edited by Runa Silvertongue; Jun 5, 2019 @ 5:07am
Savage Source Jun 5, 2019 @ 3:40pm 
Originally posted by Debra Kadabra:
It's funny that you mention Fuyuhiko, as it's HEAVILY implied that he was the recipient of Junko's eye.

Erm.....I mentioned Fuyuhiko, not because I know about this fact, but because his reaction was "WHAT THE F***?!" and this is why this natural reaction from me just kicked in on it's own and right after it I heard it back from Fuyuhiko. I didn't know about that he might be the recipient and I was never suspicious for the reason the loss of Fuyuhiko's eye wasn't intended, Fuyuhiko jumped into the middle of Peko's execution. Neither Nagito nor Monokuma influenced him to have this outcome. It was Peko's and his own business. It might be possible that Fuyuhiko's other eye is blocked from despair vision......because that eye is eventually....Junko's eye maybe? I think it's still may be possible because Monokuma took him with the ambulance, the guys who worried about Fuyuhiko didn't have the expertise or skill to save him, not even Mikan (which was strange to me), so Monokuma's operation must have been as evil as what he have done to Nekomaru.

Thank you again, as soon as I finish the entire DGR story watching and playing questline with V3 (and of course the summer vacation), then I make sure to read Junko's backstory you mentioned. I love secrets and I'm patient enough to read mangas.

For now I decided to add you to my steam friends. This way we can share information a bit faster if you don't mind.
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