Can someone explain the ending to me?

[EugeneDaDaddy]

So I just finished the game but I'm a little confused what happened to the survivors. We see Hajime watching a ship but shouldn't they of turned into the remnants of despair again? Am I missing something or just being dumb?

[Blue_Glasses]

i'm guessing it has something to do with chiaki's motivational speech at the end, hajime was able to "merge" with kamakura, and stayed on the island to wake others up (see dr2.5 anime, nagito and world ender to see how this works)

[Coolgalwithhat]

well, the ending was about them over coming their own despair, so once the new world program shuts down, the memories of their time there is put into their real bodies and they wake up. and it is said they they would permanently lose their memories of their time at hopes peak if they put the memories from the island are put into their bodies. so they would remember exactly what caused them to turn into remnants and they would hate that they were remnants so they would not want to go back to being one

[BO SCHMO]

yes

[Sailor Paladin]

Originally posted by ruby.riskin:

So I just finished the game but I'm a little confused what happened to the survivors. We see Hajime watching a ship but shouldn't they of turned into the remnants of despair again? Am I missing something or just being dumb?

Firstly, I know this thread is half a month old, okay? Steam DR threads are slow, so I don't feel too bad posting here.

Secondly, before I go into detail, logically speaking, from what we are told: yeah, the survivors were supposed to turn back into remnants of despair. You are correct.

What we have instead is this: the survivors returned to their original bodies, while retaining the memories of being in the NWP (or, at least Hajime did). Which was not an option according to Junko or ... anyone, really.

So, it might appear as if the writers just wanted their happy ending, even if it didn't make any sense, which I'd usually condemn, but...
Remember the end of chapter 5? Remember what you saw? You saw all the "dead" people coming back, if even for a moment.

So, the thing about that is: that's impossible. That actually impossible, even if we take into account that this is a (glitchy) simulation. They're dead. Their consciousnesses are deleted and aren't recoverable. According to Junko (and everyone else involved) that is. But our own senses (or... well, Hajime's senses) tell us otherwise. We saw them. All of them. They're here. Junko is wrong.

From that we can make an assumption that nobody actually fully understands what is and isn't possible within this program. Which... I'll allow, I guess. This is a consciousness-transferring world-building program. It's complicated. Extremely so. It's possible that it doesn't quite work the way the creators intended.

With this new piece of info in mind, the so-called "rules" are no longer set in stone. That means that it's technically possible for our heroes to find a way to end the simulation while retaining their memories. And it also gives them hope of recovering their "dead" friends, eventually (again, it seems like they're still "somewhere there", in the simulation).

But yeah, I can't help but feel like Junko should've won, and the rules were simply changed at the last possible second.
But - hey, at least there's some explanation, as shaky as it is.

EDIT: Oh, and I should also add that the "ghosts" in ch. 5 end might have been Junko toying with you (and probably laughing her shapely posterior off in the process). Very much a possibility. Which makes this entire shaky argument even shaky-er.

[Carnavoyeur]

Hajime goes super saiyan and uses the power of friendship™ to defeat cellphone Junko and to get out of the simulation with his memories from the Jabberwock island intact. The same thing happens to his friends.

I suppose he also cuts his hair on time to see Makoto's ship leave, if it wasn't cut already. I mean, he arrived to the island looking as Izuru and he had long hair, so...

Tbh these games have terrible endings. Some better than otters, but they are bad anyways.

You're not missing a lot if you don't get it 100%, just... feel sad, or happy, full of hope, idk.

[Runa Silvertongue]

OP, you might want to tag the topic as having spoilers since this is a spoiler free subforum.

[Drax]

You miss a tiny clue. Naegi, Byakuya, Kirigiri & Junko say that the survivors will forget island life and the dead become lifeless husk because NOONE expect that avatars would be deleted and the game would end in shutdown.So they all voice their OPINIONs. The ending doesn't break any rules because there aren't any for this case at all.

[oAlmalik Alsaghir7]

naw, they returned to what they were before they had their memories wiped by the future foun, which were the remnants... but it appears they made a deal with makoto to stay on the island confidentially away from the future foundations awareness (so they possibly dont get killed by the future foun.)....

makoto apparently is going to have to explain why hes disobeying the future foundations wishes to "eliminate all remnants" when he gets back to base. He believes in them, that they will "change," and that somehow they will remember their memories of their time on the island and that itll help them reform and become "better" people...

Interested to see how this turns out in D3... if it even does.

[NecroMaster]

Originally posted by Debra Kadabra:

OP, you might want to tag the topic as having spoilers since this is a spoiler free subforum.

The title literally says can someone explain the ending

Kinda self explanatory

[Runa Silvertongue]

Right, I get that, but for the fact that there's a subforum for spoiler content (story discussion).