SPOILERS: Can Anyone Explain These Inconsistencies and Abandoned Plot Points?

[JavaTheMocha]

UPDATED

So I just beat the game and well...the ending...

I took a lot of physical notes during my playthrough (which resulted in me figuring out a lot of things well before the characters ever did in some cases) and realized that there were a few threads of the story that got abandoned. Anybody have any ideas...or do I just have to play the 2nd one to find out?

1.) The crime-scene in the classroom on the 5th floor. There were 8 chalk-outlines. That means that 8 students at the high school presumably died and somehow it is related to "The Tragedy". This is never revisited. Also the bodies were outlined...so that means the police were there, unless Kyoko was heading that case and drew them before her memory wipe. Also who killed them? Genocide Jill? They abandon the room completely (for all I know, those bodies could be in the Bio-lab freezers instead of the current batch of kids [sans Mukuro] ).

-So this was the first killing mentioned in the novels (DR/Zero). The entire student council engaged in a killing game led by Junko and Izuru. But the novels mention that 13 students died, not 8.

2.) Junko's role. I figured she was controlling Monokuma...but that's not entirely correct. At the end, she dies (or falls into the basement like Makoto did earlier) and Monokuma gets up and proclaims himself to be the headmaster. But this is also incorrect because the FIRST scene of the game is Monokuma executing the real headmaster (Kyoko's father). So we really have no idea who the headmaster/mastermind is. Also Monokuma is STILL active despite not having a pilot [fancy-pants A.I. like Alter-Ego maybe? Eh]. All we know is that Kyoko's father is dead. Junko went SPLAT but I'm not convinced.
- Also if Junko counts as a student, why is she exempt from being put on trial til the end? She should be forced to follow the rules like everyone else, right? And she was alive the entire time.

-Okay so it turns out she did die and Monokuma somehow becomes autonomous. Showing the condition of the outside world could had made this little "cliffhanger" part much more bearable though. Haha, "bear"able.


3.) The secret room in the bathroom on floor 2. It was full of information and a note that said, "You must not leave". Who wrote it? Who was it written to? Why did Junko jump you later and steal all the information there? Once again, it's never touched on afterwards.

4.) The Archive is full of classified government documents that nobody in the outside world is privileged to know about. Why? Who put them there? Who would even have copies of all that crap? How would they even get it? And even more importantly...
-Why is it sitting out in the open in the archive and not locked up in the secret room on floor 2? The game prevents you from seeing the archive at first, but the door is never actually locked.

-Okay, they were government-funded. So I could understand them being onsite. It's still a little strange that they'd be open to everyone though.

5.) The 2nd floor dorms. What the hell happened there? What gives with the giant, bloody, Egyptian "Horus/Wadjet Eye"? There are some lockers there that were used before the mind-wipe...but who uses Egyptian symbols as a calling card? It's just out of place and never even commented on. Also why are some of the lockers BOLTED shut. Is that where the 8 bodies from the 5th-floor massacre reside? Why show us this?

6.) How does a fashion model hijack airwaves and maintain an army of panda robots? I mean a genius student built the air purifier and I presume the robots too, but at some point; Junko had to set up the entire TV broadcast and know how to activate a disabled motion-sensing bomb from a scrapped Monokuma. Who built everything (Chihiro pre mind-wipe?) and how is it maintained despite no access to the outside world? And how does Junko know how to operate it?

- Danganronpa/Zero cleared this one up. Apparantly Junko is incredibly prolific and good at many skills. Which makes it odd that the researchers at the academy didn't study her more closely when she embodied everything they were trying to create. Ah well.

7.) Who got Hina pregnant? I mean they never tell you that she is actually pregnant...but the odd food cravings, the random illnesses, the bigger boobs, the fact that she thinks she has gained weight. What gives? Why even bring it up? In the bad ending Hiro and Makoto knock her up, but she is presumably pregnant during the entire game. For what point?

8.) The pick-axe. It was said to be Mondo's. Why would he even have a pick-axe? Bringing a pick-axe to school is a very bad idea. But it never comes in useful, and they never explain what the connection is.

9.) Why would Celeste tell the fat kid her real name? She already had him around her finger.

-I watched the anime episodes that dealt with this case and it actually did a much better job of explaining it. The head-trauma jogged his memory. They really should've pointed that out in the game though. That's kind of a big oversight.

10.) Why are all the victim's Handbooks in a mailbox by the front door? Where were they going to be sent?



So yeah. I have a few ideas about some of these...but it's really all just speculation. In any case, these are the things that never got resolved in the ending and I'm pretty bummed about it. I sorta felt like the ending copped-out. It would have been greatly enriched by learning what happened at the school before the mind-wipe....ESPECIALLY the classroom on floor 5 and the 2nd floor dorms.

Thanks,
~Java

[Pikaman20008]

1. They were killed during the Tragedy, yes. It's not made clear who those students are, but it's implied that they were students killed during the Tragedy. More about the Tragedy is explained in the sequel, and helps to explain who might have killed them.

2. Monokuma only proclaimed himself headmaster, he wasn't actually the headmaster. And yes, Junko was the one controlling Monokuma, and the actual mastermind. The reason why he's active at the end is explained in the sequel, but it's really just meant to be a stinger at this point, not for something for you to think about that hard. And the reason she wasn't put on trial is...she's the mastermind. She's exempt because she's the one controlling the game.

3. I don't think it was ever made clear who wrote that, but I think it was written to warn the students not to leave the school because of the state of the outside world. And the reason Junko jumped you is so that you wouldn't find any clues she doesn't want you to and foiling her plans.

4. I don't know why it's there, but it's assumed that it's there because of Hope's Peak's connections to the Government.

5. I think that's all just supposed to be more destruction from the Tragedy.

6. First of all, it's not mentioned in this game, but Chihiro was actually the one that designed Monokuma. And you find out more about how she is able to pull all of this off in the sequel. But mainly, Junko is actually incredibly intelligent and skilled in many subjects. She literally could have gotten into Hope's Peak for anything she wanted, but she chose Fashionista.

7. ..What, no. She...she's not pregnant. That's just her personality. That does sound like an interesting crack theory, though, but she isn't pregnant.

8. He just has a pick-axe. He's the Ultimate Biker Gang Leader, I doubt he cares about safety. And the reason he has a pick-axe in the first place is because his gang is the Crazy Diamonds. Get it? Diamonds and mining.

9. Hifumi actually regained his memories after Celeste whacked him on the head, that's how he knew her name, he remembered all their times at Hope's Peak.

10. They're just placed there, just because. It's mainly so they can have that aspect in the secon trial in order to provide a clue.

And you find out more about what happened to the school and stuff in the sequel and in supplementary materials. Don't worry about te supplementary materials, though, if you're worried you're missing out on something if you don't read them. Everything you need to know about the main series is explained in the games. The other stuff just provides interesting background information. Anyway, I hope that answered a few of your questions.

[Phantron]

The students of Hope's Peak Academy are basically a collection of the finest individuals on the planet and Junko is especially talented even amongst them (though I'm not convinced she's necessarily better than Byakuya overall, but her special skills are likely more useful). Although nobody has actually displayed anything that'd make you want to count on those guys to lead the world in ashes, that's what you're supposed to believe.

Hope's Peak Academy itself is some kind of Illuminati organization that could've easily taken over the world anyway. In the upcoming Dangonronpa 3, for example, you find out that virtually anybody that mattered in the world graduated from Hope's Peak Academy. It's actually kind of crazy anybody would be dumb enough to attack Hope's Peak Academy head on like what happened in the game.

[JavaTheMocha]

Well it's a good thing I got the bundle during the Steam Sales...so I'll get into #2 I guess.

However knowing that Chihiro created Monokuma absolutely busts a few doors open for me. Good to know. It's also good to know that Junko had multiple talents...not that they ever brought that up in the first game haha.

There really are still quite a few things that weren't brought to closure though. Knowing more about the tragedy and the purpose of the Ultimate Despair Organization would have enticed people into playing #2 more IMO.

But you guys did bring up enough points to make me wanna play it. I just hope they didn't throw all this stuff in there and never explain it. Mainly Room 5A and those notebooks by the door. I haven't seen a very good explaination for either.

[Shy Monkeys]

Originally posted by JavaTheMocha:

But you guys did bring up enough points to make me wanna play it. I just hope they didn't throw all this stuff in there and never explain it. Mainly Room 5A and those notebooks by the door. I haven't seen a very good explaination for either.

There's a good explanation for that room (Hell there's a whole novel surrounding that room that explains it completely, although 2 gives a brief explanation, don't read it until you finish the second game though).

And by notebooks I assume you mean those e-handbooks? I'd say they were just put there to make mysteries more complicated by allowing killers access to places they normally wouldn't be able to go to. Junko likes to make things more complicated than they should (in a novel you unlock after beating the second game it's said that she loves putting things that could foil her plans because there's a chance the despair can fall on herself).

[JavaTheMocha]

^ THANK YOU

That actually helps a lot. I heard about the novel that ties into the series which explains a few odds and ends (like Monokuma's origins). But knowing that tiny detail about Junko just made several of these make a lot more sense. I appreciate it.

Because now I have the motivation to start the 2nd game ^.^

[FLFL Koizumi]

Originally posted by Pikaman20008:

6. First of all, it's not mentioned in this game, but Chihiro was actually the one that designed Monokuma.

Pretty sure Chihiro isnt wheelchair Satan.

[Pikaman20008]

Originally posted by SBG Cookays:

Originally posted by Pikaman20008:

6. First of all, it's not mentioned in this game, but Chihiro was actually the one that designed Monokuma.

Pretty sure Chihiro isnt wheelchair Satan.

No, Monaca just mass-produced the Monokuma robots, Chihiro is actually the one that designed the system that controlled Monokuma.

[JavaTheMocha]

Yeah, apparantly at the end of the 2nd game (which I am about to start), it unlocks a light novel that explores a "what if" concept. But in there it reveals that Chihiro designed the program utilized by Monokuma.

Also I just finished reading Danganronpa 0. What a load of trash haha. Complete garbage. This first game had a few oversights and oddities...but those novels are a hot mess.

[Phantron]

Originally posted by JavaTheMocha:

Yeah, apparantly at the end of the 2nd game (which I am about to start), it unlocks a light novel that explores a "what if" concept. But in there it reveals that Chihiro designed the program utilized by Monokuma.

Also I just finished reading Danganronpa 0. What a load of trash haha. Complete garbage. This first game had a few oversights and oddities...but those novels are a hot mess.

The background story of DR is just a mess. It really should be something like Matrix or Terminator where the Apocalyse is just a necessary setting to explain all the whacky things going on and yet DR really likes to try (and fail) to talk about how the world got into such a place in the first place. There is just nothing that's convincing about either side of the conflict that'd make you believe they could've played a pivotal role to the world today. Junko at best can be a small time warlord and that's mostly thanks to Mukuro's supreme combat ability, and it's fine that a small time warlord gathers up her former classmates and force them to kill each other to amuse herself in the post Apocalyse world.

[JavaTheMocha]

Exactly....the believability and fantasy are way out of proportion. It's nothing like 999. 999 excercised some control and was at least rooted in theoretical physics.

There's a scene in Danganronpa 0 where "Junko" throws a desk off of a building and kills a comittee member on campus in broad day light. This is before any apocalypse...it just happens and we have to accept that she doesn't get caught and that there are essentially no witnesses.

I just started the 2nd game and...my expectations are getting lower every minute haha. Ah well...it was a Steam Sale.

[Battler Ushiromiya]

That room was where the First Killing Game, between the Hope's Peak student council, took place. They all killed one another. It's gone over in DR3

[JavaTheMocha]

I was wondering about that actually. After I beat this game I went ahead and read DR/Zero.

But DR/Zero mentions that the campus is laid out into 4 quandrants. The northmost quadrant is the school that was shut down (presumably where the first game takes place) but the dorms are really far away from it in the southern quadrant. So the layout for the whole game/novel seems a little wonky to me now.

[Battler Ushiromiya]

Originally posted by JavaTheMocha:

I was wondering about that actually. After I beat this game I went ahead and read DR/Zero.

But DR/Zero mentions that the campus is laid out into 4 quandrants. The northmost quadrant is the school that was shut down (presumably where the first game takes place) but the dorms are really far away from it in the southern quadrant. So the layout for the whole game/novel seems a little wonky to me now.

They were repurposed because of the 78th lockdown, most likely.

[Craggle]

I watched a Lts Play of Ultimate Despair Girls spin-off game, and while I don't rate the style of gameplay as something I would be into much (it's a third person action game) it does explain a good amount of outstanding plot points from the other two games. Oh, and it is REALLY dark; I mean, way more so than either of the first two games.

I also picked up on the Hina pregnancy; definitely think that was deliberate in some measure. It's possible it was just there so a few elements could be introduced storywise (like giving her and Celeste a reason to leave Hifumi's body) that seemed more natural. A writer's contrivance rather than part of any murderer's plans. If the alternative ending is to be taken as potentially canon (and I do wonder if Hiro's "100% right 30% of the time is based on the number of playtesters choosing that option!), then the father is presumably Byakuya, as the oldest child in the photo seems to be his. If not, I'd hazard a guess at it being Makoto's, but that he end's up pairing up with Kyoko due to the events of the game, leaving Hina and Hiro to pair up (or course, that's just making an assumption that Hiro's prediction is right).

[Battler Ushiromiya]

Originally posted by keeperofthesorrows:

I watched a Lts Play of Ultimate Despair Girls spin-off game, and while I don't rate the style of gameplay as something I would be into much (it's a third person action game) it does explain a good amount of outstanding plot points from the other two games. Oh, and it is REALLY dark; I mean, way more so than either of the first two games.

I also picked up on the Hina pregnancy; definitely think that was deliberate in some measure. It's possible it was just there so a few elements could be introduced storywise (like giving her and Celeste a reason to leave Hifumi's body) that seemed more natural. A writer's contrivance rather than part of any murderer's plans. If the alternative ending is to be taken as potentially canon (and I do wonder if Hiro's "100% right 30% of the time is based on the number of playtesters choosing that option!), then the father is presumably Byakuya, as the oldest child in the photo seems to be his. If not, I'd hazard a guess at it being Makoto's, but that he end's up pairing up with Kyoko due to the events of the game, leaving Hina and Hiro to pair up (or course, that's just making an assumption that Hiro's prediction is right).

I found the gameplay of UDG to be very fun, although it does havbe its problems.