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irlblackfire έχει το Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc

17 Αυγ 2020, 5:51

Leon Deserved better

Leon is legit one of the most hated characters in the ENTIRE FANDOM and as a proud Leon Stan i dont like it. He killed in self defense and that makes him hated cause he killed Sayaka who was goingto kill him.

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Mysti_Fogg:

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Leon isn't a favorite character of mine, but I would like to disprove the claim of him "killing in cold blood." In a short -lived manga published by SC in 2016, we get to see deeper into the perspectives of our victims and killers; particularly, Sayaka and Leon. This manga [m.manganelo.com] shows what exactly happened in the bathroom, which, due to the restriction on cameras in bathrooms, Monokuma didn't have the full truth of. Obviously we know that Sayaka is planning to kill Leon and frame Makoto. The game shows us Leon defending himself and returning to the room with the toolkit. However, Leon did not return to finish the job. He returned purely to attempt to calm down Sayaka. When he entered the bathroom, Sayaka began flailing wildly. She ends up stabbing her self with her own knife. Leon then cleans up the scene out of fear, knowing that there is no proof that he didn't kill her since there are, once again, no cameras. Therefore, Sayaka's death was purely an accident. Obviously this manga is never confirmed to be cannon. However, since it is the only media that shows what happens in the bathroom, with no other information to contest it, I personally hold it as cannon. As for his personality, he is a pretty one dimensional character. Hates what he's good at, wants to do something else just to get girl's attention, etc. He isn't my favorite by any means, but I do not believe he deserves to be called a cold-blooded killer. Especially when we are faced with several actual cold blooded killers throughout the series. Hopefully this all made sense!

While you are correct that this manga is the only semi-canon explanation of what happened that night, you're wrong in stating Sayaka stabbed herself. If you read it, what happens is Leon enters the bathroom. Sayaka is hysterical and comes at him swinging the knife. Leon grabs her hand to defend himself, and in grabbing it, he accidentally guides it into her due to her own momentum. So I'll accept that it was self defense, but he did still commit the crime, which is all that Monokuma cares about.

If you don't include the outside material, then he's pretty cold blooded. And this is particularly tragic as the original material to me always seemed to indicate that Leon and Sayaka were a couple during the forgotten year (see the picture used in the end credits of the anime, which is also in the original game, as well as his seemingly sincere desire to break away from the path his parents want to take because of genuine interest in music, even if he has no talent in that direction.)

If you do include the outside material, he's basically just an idiot who got taken down by his own stupidity. Sayaka tried to kill him, and rather than making good on his escape and alerting the others, he pursues her. He could have tried to get Sakura to help him, as her martial arts experience means she would be able to disarm Sayaka, and being female, she might be better at calming Sayaka down (not because women are better at calming people down, but because despite her imposing looks, often girls who are upset will feel safer with other girls than with a boy who is almost a stranger). I think that would have been the ideal choice. But really, Aoi could also have calmed her down, or possibly he could have gotten Makoto as a childhood friend for the job. He doesn't do that. His solution to a girl reacting negatively to him is to keep coming after her (which is an issue all women face at one time or another). Sayaka orchestrated this problem, but Leon did actively contribute to his own downfall. Though I'll add that I think this bit of outside media also supports the idea of them maybe having been a couple because he doesn't bring anyone else in to help solve their problem. Though if I recall, by the time of the Despair and Future anime arcs, they changed things so that Makoto and Sayaka had been together, but they changed a lot of oterr things for that as well.

As for his character ... I actually didn't know he was particularly hated and I didn't think he was that bad. Yes, he's very into getting a chick. He's a 15 (actually 16) year-old boy. He's chalk full of hormones and his brain's not done developing. He's a relatively normal kid. And I don't fault him for turning his back on his talent. He makes it clear that his parents forced him to pursue baseball, and when you're forced to do something, it's not fun. Also, he's a little bit spoiled/privileged because of his talent, so he doesn't realize what he's giving up. I think during the forgotten year he probably grew a lot and was very close to Sayaka because he tried to get into music and was awful at it. He learned what it was like to fail again and again and again. Whether or not he decided that the failure was worth it and he wanted to keep trying to be a musician or whether he decided that now that he wasn't pressured by his family, he really loved baseball, I believe he gained a genuine appreciation for the skills that always came easily to him.

We also know that he had a close relationship with Mondo and Chihiro, which I think speaks well of him being a normal boy, and even an accepting one since the picture we have of the three of them seems to be post-Chihiro coming out as male and explaining himself and being supported by the class. Who knows, maybe Chihiro helped him be less douchey towards the girls. I like that as a story arc, anyway.

So I think he had a lot of potential for a wonderful story and character arc in Danganronpa, but it was tragically cut short.

I'm pretty neutral on him, but I ship him and Sayaka quite a bit for the reasons above.

Edit: I forgot to add consideration of the fact that not only did he kill Sayaka, but he set up the other 12? kids left at that point to die if he got away with it. It's a ♥♥♥♥ move, but sacrificing your life for others is also not an easy thing. Given his personality of wanting to come off as a cool guy and a rebel, he may have wanted to be a ♥♥♥♥. But if you take the manga into account, he probably hadn't entirely processed what he'd done, and sacrifice still being a big ask, he probably also didn't want to tell anyone because he would have broken down in tears from the trauma and terror of it all, ruining his cool guy shtick.

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Jarazz

28 Σεπ 2020, 21:33

Leon could have stopped at anytime before killing Sayaka before he did what he did. Honestly though i do not blame him. The pressure and fear led him to go after her without thinking straight. In all seriousness it began as self defence but when he came after her when she ran away it was no longer self defence just intent murder. But as Makoto said he would leave their memories in his heart forever. Meaning he understood why Leon did it though he did not agree with it.

Im not gonna play God... its easy to judge a man when your not in his shoes or suffering his pain.I dont blame Leon completely... just as i dont blame Sayaka either.

In reality anyone can become a killer... all it takes is for the right circumstances to come into play

Τελευταία επεξεργασία από Jarazz; 28 Σεπ 2020, 21:36

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Perfectly Valid School of Magic έχει το Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc

10 Οκτ 2020, 18:28

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Jarazz:
Leon could have stopped at anytime before killing Sayaka before he did what he did. Honestly though i do not blame him. The pressure and fear led him to go after her without thinking straight. In all seriousness it began as self defence but when he came after her when she ran away it was no longer self defence just intent murder. But as Makoto said he would leave their memories in his heart forever. Meaning he understood why Leon did it though he did not agree with it.

Im not gonna play God... its easy to judge a man when your not in his shoes or suffering his pain.I dont blame Leon completely... just as i dont blame Sayaka either.

In reality anyone can become a killer... all it takes is for the right circumstances to come into play

Of course Junko is to blame for everything that happened but as you and others have said, Leon DID make the choice to break down the door and stab her. He could have just walked away and not gone back after he broke her wrist and she ran into the bathroom. Only murder leads to a class trial after all.

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Cheezystix 17 Οκτ 2020, 13:06

I don't know what some other people are talking about here with a "manga" about Leon and Sayaka. But based solely off this game, I think he is kinda a piece of ♥♥♥♥.
As Celeste points out, the dude literally had over a hundred chances to stop what he was doing but continued anyways and ended up killing Sayaka. While Leon's crime may have started out as self defense, it certainly didn't end that way. The moment he went back to the room, broke down the door, and then proceeded to hide the fact that he killed her, turned him into a murderer. If he truly felt sorry for what he did, then he would have told everyone he did it instead of blaming it all on Makoto. But no, instead, he hides everything from everyone, showing he has no issue with sacrificing everyone just so he can survive. And when he gets found out he blames everyone else for his own stupid decisions and doesn't even admit he was wrong for what he did. At least in Mondo's case he actually felt sorry for what he did and owned up to it in the end.
Of course, that being said, he obviously never would have done what he did if he wasn't put in that kind of situation to begin with. But that kinda applies to all the killers in these games so I don't see that as a fair way to justify what he did. The way I see it is that people show their true colors in tense (or in this case life threatening) situations, and it just so happens that Leon's true colors were more darker then everyone else thought they were.

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diana

26 Οκτ 2020, 19:02

? but he did not defend himself he went back to his room to get the screwdriver to break into the bathroom to finish her off. he didnt had to kill her, he won the fight and was no longer in danger

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NecroMaster 26 Οκτ 2020, 19:35

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? but he did not defend himself he went back to his room to get the screwdriver to break into the bathroom to finish her off. he didnt had to kill her, he won the fight and was no longer in danger

It started as self defense.

It ended as murder.

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SugarSocket έχει το Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc

27 Οκτ 2020, 19:03

I too love Leon as a character, but he did take an entire extra step to kill her, going back to his room to get his screwdriver, then going back, getting the door knob off, and stabbing her.

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Perfectly Valid School of Magic έχει το Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc

29 Οκτ 2020, 15:53

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? but he did not defend himself he went back to his room to get the screwdriver to break into the bathroom to finish her off. he didnt had to kill her, he won the fight and was no longer in danger

They point that out in the game and Monokuma says that it counts as murder

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