Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc

Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc

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Mahiron (Banned) Apr 13, 2021 @ 3:29pm
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About Chihiro Fujisaki (TRANSPHOBES DNI)
There are two main issues I have with the portrayal of Chihiro. Let’s start with the chronologically first one. In chapter 2, Chihiro is murdered. During the trial, a second examination of Chihiro’s body reveals she has male genitalia. The characters remark on how she was “really a boy” and instantly switch to describing her with male pronouns for the rest of the game. Keep in mind, up until this point Chihiro has presented entirely female. The logical conclusion for the characters (and player) to come to at this point is, “Chihiro is a trans girl”.

Later in the trial, a justification for Chihiro’s presenting as a girl is provided, but for the next half hour or so of gameplay, this character, who by all appearances is trans, is missgendered by her former friends for no particular reason. This was actually really new to me and it was absolutely shocking. Occasionally a video game striving to be edgy will include trans people as the butt of a cheap joke or two, but that’s relatively easy to ignore. This was a character’s identity being invalidated at the drop of a hat by people who should be supporting her and for an extended period of gameplay.

After some time – like I said, I think it was around half an hour of gameplay – an explanation is provided. Chihiro is “really a boy” and dressed as a girl because, as a child, she was bullied for being too weak, and presenting as a girl instead was a way to solve that problem. One thing that is striking is that this is a perfectly plausible story of a trans kid finding a justification to present the way they want to. The other thing that is striking is how little sense it makes as anything other than a justification for doing what she already wants to do. A kid crossdressing to be bullied less? On what planet does that make sense? And this hasn’t been something fleeting – by all appearances from what you learn in the game, Chihiro has been presenting as a girl for a long time, maybe even over a decade.

It’s very worth remembering that part of why it’s a huge shame is it’s so rare for a trans character to have such an active and crucial role in a story. With just minor adjustments it could have been one of the best examples of trans representation in video games, but instead it became one of the most shocking examples of transphobia by killing her and deniying her identity even when her dad in Ultra Despair Girls seems to be super supportive about her being trans.

I hope that someday... This community can face the reality and specially, I hope that someday Spike Chunksoft ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dissapear for doing this to a trans kid.
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Grimm Apr 13, 2021 @ 3:42pm 
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but as far as I remember, Chihiro mentions that he or she (idc really) they got sick from being called weak..etc( he got bullied because he is weak and having feminine features). so he changed his appeirence and everything to a female not because he is trans... because of his weakness... I guess he wanted to be called "he" though because he was working out before he died trying to reveal that he is coming out as a he.
so he wasn't trans he was just a male, dressing up as a female.

Grimm Apr 13, 2021 @ 4:00pm 
Originally posted by Chihiro:
Originally posted by Grimm:
but as far as I remember, Chihiro mentions that he or she (idc really) they got sick from being called weak..etc( he got bullied because he is weak and having feminine features). so he changed his appeirence and everything to a female not because he is trans... because of his weakness... I guess he wanted to be called "he" though because he was working out before he died trying to reveal that he is coming out as a he.
so he wasn't trans he was just a male, dressing up as a female.
ok transphobe <3
she's trans
stop playing your weak card. learn how to read it is all in the game.
FennecLord Apr 13, 2021 @ 5:20pm 
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upon finding out she was amab i was both happy and sad bcs... YAY SHES TRANS and IM TRANS TOO!!! (im ftm) but then whenever they immediately switched up on her i was like .........?! this is the most transphobic and misogynistic bs ive EVER seen in a game. i watched the anime and im on drtwt so i know, but i just got to deadly life of chapter 2 on thh and i freaked out anyways.
Hurkyl Apr 13, 2021 @ 7:09pm 
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The logical conclusion for the characters (and player) to come to at this point is, “Chihiro is a trans girl”.
Yes and no; this is actually a textbook perfect example cultural bias!

For people from a subculture whose fiction prominently features (a subset of) trans people but generally doesn't feature crossdressing (AFAIK), they are likely to react to the reveal by assuming this work of fiction is the same.

Conversely, people familiar with anime subculture, where it is common for settings to have crossdressing characters, are likely to react to the reveal by assuming crossdressing, especially given that it's an anime-styled game.

but for the next half hour or so of gameplay, this character, who by all appearances is trans, is missgendered by her former friends for no particular reason. This was actually really new to me and it was absolutely shocking.
That's why they call it culture shock! It can be genuinely shocking to encounter a culture different from your own -- especially when it differs in an aspect that you take for granted and don't know how to react to.

All you can really do is decide if you're going to the cosmopolitan route and accept cultures other than your own, or if you're going to go the xenophobic route and avoid/fear/hate people different from you.

I suppose if you were in a state of shock it might not have sunk in, but the game does immediately spend an extended period making sure everyone is on the same page with this new information; even just in the locker room we already have Monokuma speaking authoritatively and Jill half-asking specifically about crossdressing.

So, the students do have plenty of reason to proceed by referring to Chihiro as a boy.

Again, I understand that this may be surprising coming from a culture where (at least how it seems to an outsider) people zealously advocate for assigning trans labels even when they don't really know anything about a situation. There is nothing wrong with being shocked when faced with a setting where this is not the norm -- the question is what you do in response.

The other thing that is striking is how little sense it makes as anything other than a justification for doing what she already wants to do. A kid crossdressing to be bullied less? On what planet does that make sense?
Given how well he passes for female and that the bullying (and his self-loathing) is specifically framed as a failure to live up to a male stereotype, it makes a lot of sense.

Remember, this is not a person making a calm, rational decision. This is a child suffering considerable mental distress over, well, his peers invalidating his identity as a boy to the point where he internalizes it deeply. This is a coping mechanism, not a lifestyle choice.

I don't recall a single line of dialog indicating Chihiro wants to crossdress.

I hope that someday... This community can face the reality and specially, I hope that someday Spike Chunksoft ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dissapear for doing this to a trans kid.
So, you have chosen both to be a cultural supremacist and to express hatred towards cultures outside your own.

I don't really think I can say anything to deradicalize you, but shrug. Maybe if you see enough of people unlike you, you'll learn to accept them.
Grimm Apr 14, 2021 @ 10:22am 
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Originally posted by Chihiro:
Originally posted by Grimm:
but as far as I remember, Chihiro mentions that he or she (idc really) they got sick from being called weak..etc( he got bullied because he is weak and having feminine features). so he changed his appeirence and everything to a female not because he is trans... because of his weakness... I guess he wanted to be called "he" though because he was working out before he died trying to reveal that he is coming out as a he.
so he wasn't trans he was just a male, dressing up as a female.
ok transphobe <3
she's trans


as you can see even trans people agreeing with this.... i'm not hating on trans people as you claim but oh well you are just being completely wrong.
https://www.reddit.com/r/danganronpa/comments/bg7s8g/spoilers_why_chihiro_fujisaki_is_not_trans/

https://www.reddit.com/r/rantgrumps/comments/kedecs/chihiro_fujisaki_isnt_trans_and_other_things/

https://www.reddit.com/r/danganronpa/comments/6uq41f/psa_chihiro_fujisaki_dr1_spoilers/
Mysti_Fogg Apr 14, 2021 @ 7:51pm 
1) The Pronoun Issue.

Japanese does not use male/female pronouns unless you're being uber formal. So in the original game, there would have been no reason to even think about the pronouns after Chihiro's physical sex was discovered. Thus there isn't any discussion over what pronoun is the right one. It's a non-issue in Japanese.

The translation team for English had to pick one. Given that Chihiro had a male body and expressed the desire to be regarded as male, that would mean he was a cis male and would get the "he" pronoun. I will agree that it is unfortunate for Western audiences that include people with trans issues that there was no discussion in the game of why this choice was made. But that happens when you consume media from other cultures who don't have the same baggage, values, or even linguistic set up.

2) Cross-dressing to be bullied less

Yeah, I agree with you that this is a ridiculous premise. Especially since he doesn't seem to want to fit in with the girls at all (really should have gone to Sakura for an athletic plan).

However, I can see how it could be done: Leave one school, buy a new wardrobe for your new school where no one knows who you are. Does make me wonder how he navigated gym in middle school, but we're never going to know. And I don't think the writers cared. They just went with what they thought was a cool plot twist. If you want to argue that this plot twist is insensitive ... well, I'm not Japanese, so I don't really feel I have the cultural background to evaluate that choice. I'd have to research Japanese trans culture and cross dressing culture to form an opinion on that.

I can agree that it doesn't translate well. But this is the kind of product where you expect the people buying it to understand it comes from a different culture and things could be "off" because of that.

3) Disregarding Chihiro's Words.

I said this earlier on another thread, but I'm still bothered when people say Chihiro is trans because he, himself, said he was a boy. If accepting trans people means believing them when they tell you that they're really a boy trapped in a girl's body or a girl trapped in a boy's body, then I don't get people who don't listen to the boy saying "I'm really a boy trapped in girl's clothes because reasons." It seems the opposite of "accepting" to not believe a person when they directly tell you who they are. You're not even making it to step one on the acceptance scale if you don't consider their words and self evaluation to be valid.

It also disregards the problems of toxic masculinity that Chihiro represents. Here's a character that has been bullied so hard and has internalized messages about what a man is to an extreme degree. And he's never going to measure up and so he gave up. And then he goes to a dangerous guy because somehow that guy seemed like the best example of masculinity in the school. His story is one about the results of rigid gender expectations causing him nothing but grief. I think that's an important story on its own, and one that lots of people can relate to.
gaming monke Apr 15, 2021 @ 1:55am 
bruh i aint reading all that, pls summarize it for me
kwil Apr 15, 2021 @ 7:38am 
Originally posted by gaming monke:
bruh i aint reading all that, pls summarize it for me
TL;DR
OP is a troll or a massive bigot.
Hurkyl Apr 15, 2021 @ 11:20am 
Originally posted by Mysti_Fogg:
His story is one about the results of rigid gender expectations causing him nothing but grief. I think that's an important story on its own, and one that lots of people can relate to.
It's interesting that they also tackle the female version in free time events. Although neither have suffered as much as much as Chihiro/Mondo over living up to stereotypes... Sakura desires to be feminine but feels compelled to suppress those feelings in her pursuit of martial strength... and Hina has no desire to be stereotypically feminine, but feels like she needs to develop those behaviors to be fulfilled. I.e., if you'll pardon the pun, in pursuit of marital strength.
Mysti_Fogg Apr 15, 2021 @ 12:12pm 
Originally posted by Hurkyl:
Originally posted by Mysti_Fogg:
His story is one about the results of rigid gender expectations causing him nothing but grief. I think that's an important story on its own, and one that lots of people can relate to.
It's interesting that they also tackle the female version in free time events. Although neither have suffered as much as much as Chihiro/Mondo over living up to stereotypes... Sakura desires to be feminine but feels compelled to suppress those feelings in her pursuit of martial strength... and Hina has no desire to be stereotypically feminine, but feels like she needs to develop those behaviors to be fulfilled. I.e., if you'll pardon the pun, in pursuit of marital strength.

Yes. A lot of people can feel constrained by gender roles.

I was actually thinking about Sakura since in the linked reddit threads, people were commenting on her reaction to discovering Chihiro's sex as being extreme and unnecessary. One of the things that doesn't translate directly from Japanese is what language and word choice says about a character. I'm told that Sakura's language is genteel and refined, providing a contrast to her looks. I think she's another character that was designed to make players consider their expectations and then asking them to see the person who was really there.

And her extreme reaction to Chihiro is because they took the character with the most delicate sensibilities and made her touch a dead guy's ♥♥♥♥ unexpectedly.
Enchanted Apr 16, 2021 @ 2:22am 
How many times do you need to get banned before you realize just because people disagree with you does not mean they are a transphobe? You created the other thread before this one naming the game as transphobic and everyone who had a different opinion a transphobe which was apparently deleted...oh I wonder why...

If you really want a game with trans representation play Tell Me Why or The Last of Us 2 instead of forcing your own identity on a fictional character.



Last edited by Enchanted; Apr 16, 2021 @ 2:34am
lorelei Apr 21, 2021 @ 11:08am 
so, what i gathered from this garbage of a post, you are either trolling or you are absolutely serious and a little wack in the head. because, there is a problem by calling people transphobes for a theory. chihiro is a guy, it was literally confirmed, with a valid backstory as well. so i don't see your point in stirring up a mess purely for something that is incorrect. and alter ego literally referred to him as a dude. thats your headcannon, its not cannon.
BIG_DADDY'S_PENO May 2, 2021 @ 2:15pm 
still cant find the person who cares
kin May 29, 2021 @ 7:31pm 
I Really hate it when Chihiro only gets brought up when it's to discuss about their gender identity
Mysti_Fogg May 31, 2021 @ 6:04am 
Originally posted by Augusto:
I Really hate it when Chihiro only gets brought up when it's to discuss about their gender identity

What would you like to talk about with the character?

His murder? It's influenced by his gender issues.

His bad judgment in picking a mentor? His choice seems to have been influenced by his gender issues.

His bravery? He's brave in confronting his gender issues.

While he has potential to have other facets to his character, a lot of things turn on his gender identity and his relationship to that identity.

His programming skills? Okay there's a safer topic. And I do see people praise him for inventing an AI. I also think he had one of the most overall useful skills and one of the most dangerous to the mastermind. He ends up posthumously defeating her.

And I can't think of too much else to say about Chihiro. He was shy ... because he was bullied ... which caused his gender issues and likely caused the shyness to get worse. And we're back to gender issues.

But I'm curious what else you would have to say about his character that doesn't have to do with gender.
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