Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc

Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc

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Knight May 5, 2021 @ 8:58am
I don't understand something about Sayaka's arc.
She "locks" herself in the bathroom when she loses the fight. Killer thinks it's locked and as a result he leaves the room to get his tools. Why didn't she take the opportunity while he was gone to lock her door, get a weapon or something? Why'd she just wait for him to come back with his tools?
Last edited by Knight; May 5, 2021 @ 9:12am
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Mysti_Fogg May 6, 2021 @ 1:07pm 
Okay, you are wounded and have locked yourself in the bathroom. There's lots of thudding and shuddering from the door as the killer tries to kick it in.

Then everything goes quiet.

How long do you wait to poke your head out of the door?

Understand that this could all be a trick, and the second you open the door, the killer will be on you, and he's definitely stronger than you, and will have the advantage of planning his angle of attack.

Sayaka chose not to poke her head out of the door in the less than 5 minutes it took for the killer to leave and return.

And I don't blame her. In her position, I'd be considering waiting until breakfast for someone else to come and find me. If she waits long enough, Makoto will come.
Knight May 6, 2021 @ 3:05pm 
I'm just saying it's soundproof outside the room.

That means she probably had the ability to hear him walk away from the bathroom and open the door and close it.
Mysti_Fogg May 6, 2021 @ 3:59pm 
Originally posted by Knight:
I'm just saying it's soundproof outside the room.

That means she probably had the ability to hear him walk away from the bathroom and open the door and close it.

Or he could be faking walking away and leaving.

::shrug::

You're not wrong that she could have taken the chance to escape. She just didn't.

Maybe she would have tried if things had been quieter longer. Maybe she wouldn't. After all, she thought she was safe. It probably never occurred to her that he'd get the toolkit and unscrew the doorknob to get at her. It wasn't his murder plan, after all. Maybe she was busy coming up with a story to explain how she was the victim when he showed up with someone like Mondo or Sakura. In which case looking weak and cornered would probably play better. Maybe she was terrified he was lurking to trap and kill her. Maybe she didn't think she was in any danger now and just wanted to have a think/cry by herself in the bathroom.

We don't get a lot of info on Sayaka. But I can come up with all kinds of reasons for her to stay in the bathroom.
EvilTogedemaru May 12, 2021 @ 3:18am 
I think she didnt knew that he was gone and Hidden In the Bathroom.
Sorry my English is Bad
ohhh and i think leo has the chance used too get out of there
but thats my Opninion
The_hand_of_fate May 13, 2021 @ 6:11am 
My question is, why didn't she try to block the door with her body, yes he had no way of knowing how to open the door, but if she lied down in front of the door, she could've protected herself from the chance that he figured it out.
Mysti_Fogg May 13, 2021 @ 9:48am 
Originally posted by The_hand_of_fate:
My question is, why didn't she try to block the door with her body, yes he had no way of knowing how to open the door, but if she lied down in front of the door, she could've protected herself from the chance that he figured it out.

Perhaps she felt that a good defense would be to go on the offense.

Leon was a Super High School Level Athlete. And he's a man. Both of those are going to predispose him to having superior strength compared to Sayaka (Idols are known for their endurance training and women are stronger in terms of lower body strength, so maybe as a fit person she could beat him in a cross country race, but that's not what this was.)

Anyway, assuming she wasn't just so terrified that cowering was her instinctive reaction (fight, flight, and <i>freeze</i> are the three hardwired options for survival), maybe she thought facing the door, being prepared to attack him would have a higher chance of a better outcome. She would be in a better offensive position since he would have to force his way in to get at her and she could just wildly swing at him with the knife as he tried to push in.

Also, on thinking about it, we don't really know that she didn't try what you suggest and merely ended up where she was in the ensuing struggle when he overpowered her.
Knight May 13, 2021 @ 1:15pm 
I also wanna know now that I think of it, why LEON? Why the best baseball player? He can sprint and he can hit. Why not the fat otaku?
Hurkyl May 13, 2021 @ 2:06pm 
My thoughts are that there are two important criteria for Sayaka's choice of victim:
  • The victim needs to be certain to accept the invitation
  • The victim needs to be completely unsuspecting
I'm uncertain about point one, but I'm pretty sure Hifumi fails point two: if he accepts, he's likely to be nervous and uncertain, making him more likely to notice her intent to ambush him.

Leon, on the other hand? I think he'd be pretty eager to accept, looking forward to his big break and/or scoring with a girl he was crushing on.

And on an emotional matter, IIRC there are several things about Leon that Sayaka might find particularly irksome, making it easier for Sayaka to accept killing him. His reasons for getting into music, for example.
Mysti_Fogg May 13, 2021 @ 2:32pm 
Originally posted by Hurkyl:
My thoughts are that there are two important criteria for Sayaka's choice of victim:
  • The victim needs to be certain to accept the invitation
  • The victim needs to be completely unsuspecting
I'm uncertain about point one, but I'm pretty sure Hifumi fails point two: if he accepts, he's likely to be nervous and uncertain, making him more likely to notice her intent to ambush him.

Leon, on the other hand? I think he'd be pretty eager to accept, looking forward to his big break and/or scoring with a girl he was crushing on.

And on an emotional matter, IIRC there are several things about Leon that Sayaka might find particularly irksome, making it easier for Sayaka to accept killing him. His reasons for getting into music, for example.

The victim also needs to be someone Sayaka thinks she might be able to best. That knocks out Mondo and Sakura. There's just no way she's winning those match ups.

I agree: Leon was easy prey. He was also all over being invited to a girl's bedroom after hours.

Hifume never would have accepted. He doesn't even like 3D girls.
Bayakuya was too smart for that.
Taka was too gentlemanly and rule abiding to come after hours.
Mondo ... I'm not sure if he would have come or not, but there's no way Sayaka's going to win that match up.
Sakura might have come to protect Sayaka, but again, there's no way she's winning that match up.
Celeste is unlikely to violate the rules she proposed so isn't coming and is too smart
Asahina has no reason to trust her and isn't likely to come.
Junko is pretty self absorbed and not likely to come, also I think she's the next largest girl after Sakura and seems pretty intimidating.
Chihiro might have come (or at least Sayaka'd think she'd come, but she probably actually wouldn't), and she'd be easy prey, but of all the characters, Chihiro is going to make you feel super guilty to kill her.
Toko ... is kind of disturbing even at the beginning. And also not likely to come out at night.
Kiyoko is too smart.
Hagakure might have been a good pick, though he is physically much bigger than her.

Hurkyl May 13, 2021 @ 10:15pm 
Originally posted by Mysti_Fogg:
Chihiro might have come (or at least Sayaka'd think she'd come, but she probably actually wouldn't), and she'd be easy prey, but of all the characters, Chihiro is going to make you feel super guilty to kill her.
I actually like to give Sayaka's intuition credit on this one; that she could plausibly guess the reason why Chihiro would be unlikely to come. Even if Sayaka can't tell for sure, it could be at least enough to rule out Chihiro as being certain to accept.
SuperStrike May 15, 2021 @ 2:23pm 
Because, the door knob was broken. :steambored:
The_hand_of_fate May 15, 2021 @ 2:29pm 
Originally posted by SuperStrike:
Because, the door knob was broken. :steambored:
because the killer broke it, she could've opened the door at any time
Chiyoko May 19, 2021 @ 7:08am 
I think it were simply panic and lost control on situation. Because Sayaka is not a killer, she tried to kill because of despair and panic. She does not have any deathfight experience, so when situation changed (when she understood that she can be killed instead of her victim) she lost any control on herself. That's why she tried just to hide.

Also Sayaka did not even hide the sword to avoid danger situation that exactly happened.

Anyway Sayaka's plan was a failure, because even if she would kill Leon, then Makoto would be 100% sure who killed him, Kyoto would found a Sayaka's message anyway, Monokuma would proove that Sayaka and Makoto switched the rooms, again, hairs on the floor, and Aoi still have seen Sayaka.
Even if Sayaka would blame the murder on Makoto, there are still more evideneces against her, than against him.
Hurkyl May 19, 2021 @ 9:30am 
Originally posted by Rize:
Anyway Sayaka's plan was a failure, because even if she would kill Leon, then Makoto would be 100% sure who killed him,
Don't forget what happened earlier in the day. Sayaka, in her desperation, latched onto Makoto's promise to do anything to get her out of there. She surely convinced herself that Makoto would conspire to take the blame.

The students don't yet know that everyone else dies if the blackened graduates. She still believes that Leon will be the only victim of her plot.
Mysti_Fogg May 19, 2021 @ 11:39am 
Originally posted by Hurkyl:
Originally posted by Rize:
Anyway Sayaka's plan was a failure, because even if she would kill Leon, then Makoto would be 100% sure who killed him,
Don't forget what happened earlier in the day. Sayaka, in her desperation, latched onto Makoto's promise to do anything to get her out of there. She surely convinced herself that Makoto would conspire to take the blame.

The students don't yet know that everyone else dies if the blackened graduates. She still believes that Leon will be the only victim of her plot.

Yeah.

Makoto would know, but Sayaka doesn't think he'd tell, even if he had to sacrifice his own life. And based on kind of being in Makoto's head solving the crime, I'd say she was right.

Which, if the crime happened in Makoto's room and Makoto just accepts the blame, who is really going to fuss about voting Makoto other than Kiyoko? All of them were ready to vote him when he was protesting he didn't do it.

Also, the 11037 code would not have been there, that only happened because Sayaka died. Yes, Asahina and Sakura would still have known about the knife, but they only talk about it when you press them. We don't know what other evidence would have been left because we don't know what Sayaka would have tried to hide or clean up, and we don't know if she would have had Makoto's help or not in that project.
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