Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc

Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc

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PanKo 4 ABR 2021 a las 7:07 a. m.
Is Chihiro trans or cross dressing?
I got banned from a Discord server for saying that I had originally thought Chihiro was crossdressing, not trans, as in the game it is explicitly said that they dressed as a girl to hide from bullies and they went to Mondo asking him to start training to become stronger so they wouldn't have to hide as a girl anymore. The owner didn't actually correct me, just banned me almost immediately after I said that after calling me a transphobe. I've found arguments online, but I actually do just want to know if Chihiro was actually trans? edit: please let this thread die im begging
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Aliza 21 AGO 2021 a las 7:38 p. m. 
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Pretty accurate. Idk you can tell if a person is being serious by the way they talk
When they talk, sure. You get voice tone and potentially facial expressions if you're in person.

Writing lacks that. It is very easy to misunderstand people on the internet for that
reason when they attempt to be sarcastic. Especially people you don't actually know.

Again it may be hard for maybe you to tell. But it's not that hard for me. Even when it comes to people I don't know I can usually tell.

Like I said depends on who you are. Maybe it's easy for you and people you know to misunderstood.

But not for me and other people.
Mysti_Fogg 22 AGO 2021 a las 6:31 a. m. 
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When they talk, sure. You get voice tone and potentially facial expressions if you're in person.

Writing lacks that. It is very easy to misunderstand people on the internet for that
reason when they attempt to be sarcastic. Especially people you don't actually know.

Again it may be hard for maybe you to tell. But it's not that hard for me. Even when it comes to people I don't know I can usually tell.

Like I said depends on who you are. Maybe it's easy for you and people you know to misunderstood.

But not for me and other people.

I find your statement concerning in that people pick fights on the internet over supposed tone.

But I'm open to being proved wrong.

Pick the sarcastic statement:

1) Yes, I find it disappointing that the supposed gambler caves for money. I have higher standards for her.

2) But Sayaka really loves Makoto! That's why she only set him up!

3) You know what the game/anime needed more of? Hagakure doing his fortune-telling schtick.
Aliza 22 AGO 2021 a las 3:15 p. m. 
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Again it may be hard for maybe you to tell. But it's not that hard for me. Even when it comes to people I don't know I can usually tell.

Like I said depends on who you are. Maybe it's easy for you and people you know to misunderstood.

But not for me and other people.

I find your statement concerning in that people pick fights on the internet over supposed tone.

But I'm open to being proved wrong.

Pick the sarcastic statement:

1) Yes, I find it disappointing that the supposed gambler caves for money. I have higher standards for her.

2) But Sayaka really loves Makoto! That's why she only set him up!

3) You know what the game/anime needed more of? Hagakure doing his fortune-telling schtick.


I'd say 2 or 3 BC hagakure is litterally one of the most hated characters ever. And more of him is sarcastic vibes.

However something about 2 mhmmmm it seems off. BC why would you set up someone you love? However it seems Sayaka did seem to care for mokoto in the game according to our reliable source Kyoko.

And idk about 1 BC I don't get what it's Talking about.

Anyways this is getting off topic so I think it's best to end this discussion here. (With one last reply)
Aliza 22 AGO 2021 a las 3:21 p. m. 
Also I wanna add more to this discussion with a question of my own

Why do people believe chihiro is trans anyways

Ik danganronpa fandom is known for their weird headcanons that are treated as facts (like hajime having feelings for nagito)
But how can something that has litteral contradictions to it be believed by at least a good portion of the fandom?
Litterally the game says itself that chihiro wants identify as a male.

But yet alot of people Unironically believe he is trans. I mean at least with sexualties most of the time we don't fully know anyone's sexual orientation thus making headcanoning more easy.

I don't get it?
What implies that chihiro is trans besides the fact he's a cis male who has feminine features?

kwil 22 AGO 2021 a las 3:41 p. m. 
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Also I wanna add more to this discussion with a question of my own

Why do people believe chihiro is trans anyways

Ik danganronpa fandom is known for their weird headcanons that are treated as facts (like hajime having feelings for nagito)
But how can something that has litteral contradictions to it be believed by at least a good portion of the fandom?
Litterally the game says itself that chihiro wants identify as a male.

But yet alot of people Unironically believe he is trans. I mean at least with sexualties most of the time we don't fully know anyone's sexual orientation thus making headcanoning more easy.

I don't get it?
What implies that chihiro is trans besides the fact he's a cis male who has feminine features?
I've heard it said that they think Chihiro is a poor author's interpretation of a trans person, thinking that the author is saying that trans people are just pretending to be the other gender due to external forces.

They're entitled to their view, but there's a reason no one else interprets it that way, because that wasn't the author's intent. Chihiro is a commentary on a different Japanese issue entirely, and I strongly doubt the concept of trans people ever crossed their minds when writing this story.
Hurkyl 22 AGO 2021 a las 8:03 p. m. 
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Also I wanna add more to this discussion with a question of my own

Why do people believe chihiro is trans anyways
My overall impression is there are two main reasons.

Partly, people are eager to assume his gender! They jump to that conclusion as their first impression when it's revealed he has male biology, and it's not easy to knock them out of their assumption.

Partly, AFAICT there seems to be a nontrivial segment of the population whose main exposure to the idea of crossdressers is through it being characterized at best as being a misrepresentation of trans people.
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Aliza 22 AGO 2021 a las 8:12 p. m. 
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Also I wanna add more to this discussion with a question of my own

Why do people believe chihiro is trans anyways
My overall impression is there are two main reasons.

Partly, people are eager to assume his gender! They jump to that conclusion as their first impression when it's revealed he has male biology, and it's not easy to knock them out of their assumption.

Partly, AFAICT there seems to be a nontrivial segment of the population whose main exposure to the idea of crossdressers is through it being characterized at best as being a misrepresentation of trans people.
i think its one of those headcanons that are considered facts like hajime x nagito
Sergeant Poultry 24 AGO 2021 a las 7:29 a. m. 
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Aliza 31 AGO 2021 a las 10:48 a. m. 
I have been reading this comment section for a while now.

And it makes me wonder what opposite arguement is.

Really most of the comment section is just people saying why he isn't trans or someone calling the other side Homophobes.
What's the arguement for him being trans?

I mean I thought about it and logically there's no way to say he's trans without making a stretch and headcanoning
Mysti_Fogg 8 SEP 2021 a las 6:30 a. m. 
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I find your statement concerning in that people pick fights on the internet over supposed tone.

But I'm open to being proved wrong.

Pick the sarcastic statement:

1) Yes, I find it disappointing that the supposed gambler caves for money. I have higher standards for her.

2) But Sayaka really loves Makoto! That's why she only set him up!

3) You know what the game/anime needed more of? Hagakure doing his fortune-telling schtick.


I'd say 2 or 3 BC hagakure is litterally one of the most hated characters ever. And more of him is sarcastic vibes.

However something about 2 mhmmmm it seems off. BC why would you set up someone you love? However it seems Sayaka did seem to care for mokoto in the game according to our reliable source Kyoko.

And idk about 1 BC I don't get what it's Talking about.

Anyways this is getting off topic so I think it's best to end this discussion here. (With one last reply)

Answer is 2.

But you couldn't pick between that and 3. And the only reason you ruled out 1 was because you didn't understand the reference (Celeste deciding to kill for the pot of money), not because of the tone.

I hope you can see why I disbelieve the assertion that you can tell the difference between sarcasm and an actual statement of opinion. Because you actually couldn't.
Mysti_Fogg 8 SEP 2021 a las 6:49 a. m. 
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Also I wanna add more to this discussion with a question of my own

Why do people believe chihiro is trans anyways

Ik danganronpa fandom is known for their weird headcanons that are treated as facts (like hajime having feelings for nagito)
But how can something that has litteral contradictions to it be believed by at least a good portion of the fandom?
Litterally the game says itself that chihiro wants identify as a male.

But yet alot of people Unironically believe he is trans. I mean at least with sexualties most of the time we don't fully know anyone's sexual orientation thus making headcanoning more easy.

I don't get it?
What implies that chihiro is trans besides the fact he's a cis male who has feminine features?

Well, firstly, if I wanted to go all scholarly, I could do a reader response queer analysis of the Chihiro story and talk about how his tale is representative of many trans issues. In much the similar vein I could do a reader response queer analysis of how the Pixar film Lucca is representative of gay issues. This doesn't mean the author INTENDED the representation. Just that it reads that way to a portion of the audience and they connect to that interpretation.

And reader response is VALID as far as reactions to any work of art. What you feel as a person reading/watching anything is a valid reaction, even if you are the only one in the world who feels that way. Usually, though, lots of people feel the same way.

The problem then becomes a blurring between what people feel or want to be true and what is actually true. Because having a response of seeing Chihiro as representative of trans people doesn't contradict what is actually said as fact in the story (ie that Chihiro is physically a boy and wants to be seen as a boy). Of the people who respond to Chihiro as representative of those issues SOME of them are unable to reconcile what is actually written with what they feel to be true.

And while all feelings are valid in response to a given stimulus, they don't give a right to deny objective reality. Unfortunately, not all people are up to separating the two, especially in the case of something they approached for recreation.
Aliza 8 SEP 2021 a las 7:57 a. m. 
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I'd say 2 or 3 BC hagakure is litterally one of the most hated characters ever. And more of him is sarcastic vibes.

However something about 2 mhmmmm it seems off. BC why would you set up someone you love? However it seems Sayaka did seem to care for mokoto in the game according to our reliable source Kyoko.

And idk about 1 BC I don't get what it's Talking about.

Anyways this is getting off topic so I think it's best to end this discussion here. (With one last reply)

Answer is 2.

But you couldn't pick between that and 3. And the only reason you ruled out 1 was because you didn't understand the reference (Celeste deciding to kill for the pot of money), not because of the tone.

I hope you can see why I disbelieve the assertion that you can tell the difference between sarcasm and an actual statement of opinion. Because you actually couldn't.


i can see why.
however i am still entitled to my belief.

however you have changed my mind about one thing.

i can't do this with strangers. it's simply diffculit
to tell if someone is sarcastic if i know nothing about them


you changed my opinion abit trying to tell a sarcastic statement
from a person you know nearly nothing about is hard.

i was pretty confident that i can actually do it because i was always right with my call on whether or not peoople were serious with my friends and i was alright almost every time.
Aliza 8 SEP 2021 a las 8:24 a. m. 
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Publicado originalmente por Mysti_Fogg:

Answer is 2.

But you couldn't pick between that and 3. And the only reason you ruled out 1 was because you didn't understand the reference (Celeste deciding to kill for the pot of money), not because of the tone.

I hope you can see why I disbelieve the assertion that you can tell the difference between sarcasm and an actual statement of opinion. Because you actually couldn't.


i can see why.
however i am still entitled to my belief.

however you have changed my mind about one thing.

i can't do this with strangers. it's simply diffculit
to tell if someone is sarcastic if i know nothing about them


you changed my opinion abit trying to tell a sarcastic statement
from a person you know nearly nothing about is hard.

i was pretty confident that i can actually do it because i was always right with my call on whether or not peoople were serious with my friends and i was alright almost every time.

anyways

lets leave this as a agree to disagree.

because this is getting offtopic.
i admit defeat
Mysti_Fogg 8 SEP 2021 a las 11:37 a. m. 
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Answer is 2.

But you couldn't pick between that and 3. And the only reason you ruled out 1 was because you didn't understand the reference (Celeste deciding to kill for the pot of money), not because of the tone.

I hope you can see why I disbelieve the assertion that you can tell the difference between sarcasm and an actual statement of opinion. Because you actually couldn't.


i can see why.
however i am still entitled to my belief.

however you have changed my mind about one thing.

i can't do this with strangers. it's simply diffculit
to tell if someone is sarcastic if i know nothing about them


you changed my opinion abit trying to tell a sarcastic statement
from a person you know nearly nothing about is hard.

i was pretty confident that i can actually do it because i was always right with my call on whether or not peoople were serious with my friends and i was alright almost every time.

Fair enough. And I will agree that people you know are easier because you have a baseline of knowledge to begin with.

Back to everything else ...
! 9 OCT 2021 a las 11:52 a. m. 
The answer is: There is no way to objectively know.

▪ Chihiro never stated anything about how he identifies as, only about his strenght
▪ Being trans is a matter of identifying as the opposite gender you are assigned at birth

I see that the argument that the most popular argument people provide to prove that he isn't trans is that "he hates his weak side", "he wants to become stronger", fairly, it is a good point due to how people traditionaly think of gender, but the problem with that is even though that being "strong" is associated with "being a man", strong woman also exist, Sakura would be a example of that and that strenght doesn't make her any less of a woman.

So we can't deny the possibilty of Chihiro saying that maybe he would want to become a stronger woman, because even though you might wanna become stronger, the gender you identify as is completly irrelevant to that, unless you are persuing some type of aesthetic archetype, but then again, that would be aesthetic, not necessarily gender.

I'm not saying that as a complete "certifier" or anything, because again, we can't really know since he didn't live long enough to talk about that or rather never talked about that topic while he was still alive, but i feel people are falling too much on stereotypes / gender archetypes instead of focusing on what Chihiro actually said.
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