Are the new crops OP?

[Snowy Sprout]

Carrots don't sell for much but they have INSANELY high energy value at 75 for regular and 135 for gold quality. Also taking only three days to grow? Compared to eating darned spring onions that only give like 13 energy each? Psssssht...

And I thought summer squash maybe weren't as good since their energy is a bit lower at 63-113 energy. But THEY DON'T NEED REPLANTING! And they regrow EVERY THREE DAYS! This is higher even than hops, which used to be my favorite summer food. It is true that hops regrow every day, but squash is ripe in only six days, while hops takes 11 to grow up.

Then there's broccoli. Same energy as squash, takes four days to regrow instead of three, and it's only big bonus is that it's worth double what squash sells for, so maybe that's nice? But mostly I'm just glad to keep using it for food, at least until I get my cheese production up high enough.

But I didn't even mention XP yet! All of these crops have ridiculously high XP per harvest! A basic parsnip takes four days to grow and gives you 8 xp. A basic carrot takes THREE days to grow and gives you THIRTY-THREE XP?!? You can level up to farming one by just harvesting THREE of them! Well, maybe four. But the point is you'll level up SO FAST from these! This blows kale totally out of the water! All of the new crops give three or four times more XP than any other crop before!

The only thing holding these crops back AT ALL is the fact that they must be found in like artifact spots and stuff. It's hard to get more, unless you have a seed maker. So this is really just a year-one boost. But still, it's pretty amazing! I think it changes the game a lot.

It's honestly too good. I'm scared that Ape is going to nerf them after he comes to his senses.

[TamanduaGirl]

You can also feed a carrot to your horse to make it a bit faster for the day.

[Alucard †]

What about the Powdermelon?

[DaBa]

They don't sell for much, farming exp is a non factor since you can't easily buy them until very late into the game anyway so you can't take advantage of it. Besides, since when is farming exp something you need more of? It's by far the easiest skill to level up and max out.

Moreover, recovering energy was not an issue in the first place with how many avenues of it we have already: eat the crops you grow, eat forage, eat fish, eat fruit/mushroom from the cave, sauna, food from the mines, berries is summer and fall. These new crops don't change anything regarding this.

So no, I don't see how they are overpowered. If anything they aren't really worth spending too much time on past what you need for the achievements and quests.

[Snowy Sprout]

Oprindeligt skrevet af DaBa:

They don't sell for much,

I agree they aren't good to sell. Their value lies in other areas.

Oprindeligt skrevet af DaBa:

... recovering energy was not an issue in the first place with how many avenues of it we have already

When you think of the game as a whole, sure. When you think of the FIRST SPRING, it is phenomenal! The amount of calories carrots give compared to the time/effort it takes to get them is amazing! The only downside is how relatively rare the seeds are.

Oprindeligt skrevet af DaBa:

farming exp is a non factor since you can't easily buy them until very late into the game... ...Besides, since when is farming exp something you need more of? It's by far the easiest skill to level up and max out.

I think you are not seeing the early game advantages the way I am.

Every farming level you get instantly raises your chance to harvest gold star crops. Carrots on day one are ripe before parsnips, and therefore you'll get that level-up advantage early. Those first parsnips will have more stars on them, and that means higher profits for you, or higher gift value, or higher calorie value if you choose to eat the parsnips.

Maybe you can even get a scarecrow early and save a few extra crops from being lost to crows. Don't you hate losing crops to crows?

Earlier XP also means earlier access to preserve jars, so you can process more of your crops into higher value goods.

Earlier higher profits roll over exponentially into buying power for other crops etc. So it's not the 1.6 seeds directly that are the big deal, it is their influence on the overall speed of progress through the early game.

Summer squash are especially significant because of their regrowth. They can launch you through XP levels very quickly for much less effort than it takes to grow fields of other crops. Granted, you can only plant the 5-10 seeds you might find, and you can't buy fields of squash seeds. But that's exactly what I'm trying to emphasize. You get these huge advantages without having to clear, till, and water huge fields. It frees up your time and energy to pursue other jobs, and time management is the biggest hurdle of this game.

So yeah, I think carrots and squash are wonderfully OP, and I would try to plant as many of them as possible in my first year.

[Včelí medvídek]

Early carrots are good boost for energy, but after it is kinda irrelevant (outside horse boost(. I I had my ~300 salmonberries sufficient time and never depleted gains from cranberries.. totaly ignored those seasonal addition from y2 on.

[Snowy Sprout]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Alucard †:

What about the Powdermelon?

Great question!

I can't honestly see the big advantage of powdermelon, other than it is a crop you can grow in winter. The only other way to raise farming skill in winter is with animals. Maybe powdermelon is meant to help newbie players who aren't pressing into minmax strategies, so maybe they don't have animals or huge fields of hundreds of crops with sprinklers yet. Maybe that's also why it can become a giant crop. If I was a newbie watering by hand and found it had become a giant crop, that would be a pretty cool event! I'd be so excited for farming at that point!

[Snowy Sprout]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Včelí medvídek:

Early carrots are good boost for energy, but after it is kinda irrelevant (outside horse boost(. I I had my ~300 salmonberries sufficient time and never depleted gains from cranberries.. totaly ignored those seasonal addition from y2 on.

Yes, I keep saying these are EARLY game advantages. It's significant in FIRST spring and summer. I consider y2 mid-to-late game, don't you? Usually by then I'm headed to Ginger Island, which has its own OP crops to focus on.

[romy]

true, 1.6 made the game so much easier.

I now play on 50% income to balance it.

[DaBa]

First spring: Forage can be picked up with minimal time investment, and is definitely good enough to get you by on it's own. And if you ever require any more, fishing is a source of infinite energy and it's available from day 2. Field snacks are always an option as well. So yes, even in the first spring you are already very well covered. Carrots don't change anything, they just add yet another handy source. Not even close to being "overpowered".

As for farming exp, you're massively overthinking this. The benefits you're mentioning are minor at best, inconsequential in practice. Besides, need I remind you the question you yourself posed? "Are the new crops OP?" None of this comes even remotely close to that moniker, come on. Especially if so many other things the update added are so much more powerful and impactful in direct comparison, like the dehydrator that's a very easy way to increase profit margins for fruit early and works perfect with blueberries and cranberries, or the fish smoker that allows fishing to remain highly lucrative past early game. So, again, not overpowered at all.

[ChrillBill]

Maybe not OP, but they have definitely made it easier to progress faster, I think. This is something I feel with the update as a whole - faster progress, including easier money making. It's a nice boost. But for us seasoned players maybe it feels a bit "meh"?

Like, I really didn't need that kind of boost. But I can appreciate it anyway.

I am just thankful that you can lower the profit margin :P

[JunK]

i wouldn't say they are OP.
definitely worth it, but not OP given that you can't exactly get a bulk amount of them.

[DontMisunderstand]

Mines end up giving you a LOT of carrot seeds. Makes delving into the mines a bit more profitable in the early game.

[Sstavix]

I didn't notice the experience buff, because I only sold one carrot. After I saw how much energy you get from those things I held on to them! It is a great way to recharge your energy before you can get a kitchen. It certainly does make the early game easier, but I wouldn't go so far as to say it is overpowered, primarily because of the random nature of getting the seeds.

[Dimensional Traveler]

I have no problem with the new "wild" seeds like carrots. Snowy, you are a power player. Nothing wrong with that but most players aren't. They don't have the best min/max strategies engraved in their brains to work on as they sleep like you do. They are limited in number compared to the crops you can buy and they seem like a nice little boost for those who are just playing "chill" and for relaxing fun.

And how many threads have we seen with people complaining about how little their energy goes early on in the game? Or asking for the best ways to get the most out of it? I don't see a problem with a few new seeds helping new farmers not have to go to bed at 2pm because they are exhausted.

[gachi is manly]

I'd say Starfruit is still king of pure profits before later game with ancient fruit. The fact that some of the new crops are good for energy doesn't really make them OP to me. Starfruit is the only thing I feel like is a bit silly with how much money you can make with it vs most other things when making wine + having the artisan skill.

Once I get my coffee up and running and whip up some spicy eels, I'm good to go for food. Cheese or pumpkin juice when I need just raw energy/healing. Early game pre-mines I fish enough chubs for energy to tide me over until I make better energy foods.

Carrots are interesting, though, since they grow so fast and you can feed them to your horse for a slight speed boost.

Oprindeligt skrevet af JunK:

i wouldn't say they are OP.
definitely worth it, but not OP given that you can't exactly get a bulk amount of them.

That's a good point as well.