Is my friend cheating or using an exploit?

[Stetside]

We started a new map to play with other 2 friends together and one of them has around 52k gold on Spring 7th Y1. It's very sad and all the other players left the servers because of this.

We looked into his PC and we did not find trainers or any kind of cheat or mod. Any suggestion ?

[Alfon]

That person obviously cheated. No debate required. We can discuss the method if you want, there are quite a few.

[Ykario]

Do you use legacy randomisation ? If so, it's quite possible with Clay farming. You can make more than 10k a day if you're efficient with it.

If you're not using legacy randomisation, then idk. Lucky, or cheating, can't say.

[DaBa]

The only way would be clay farming, but you'd need to have legacy randomization enabled.

The other best way to make money early on is fishing, but you can't get 50k from that in 7 days when starting from level 1.

[Ilucie]

Calico Witch eredeti hozzászólása:

Niki Lauda eredeti hozzászólása:

52k by the 7th of a new save sounds like they used a mod to me no one can make that much money in the first week

Yes, actually, you can make more than that. I started a new game (since deleted), just for fun. I don't use any mods. I simply named my character [74][74][74][74] - an item cheat code that only works with names of your character or animals. Then I ran around town meeting everyone I could. Sold the 'stuff'. Next day I repeated with those I missed the day before and bought a phone and called Gus (specifically) a few times. Sold more of the 'stuff'. Ended up with around $68,000 by day 5.

You really use a cheat as an argument that its possible to earn X on spring 7? Of course its possible with cheats, even on day 1 6:00am.

[Včelí medvídek]

Ykario eredeti hozzászólása:

Do you use legacy randomisation ? If so, it's quite possible with Clay farming. You can make more than 10k a day if you're efficient with it.

If you're not using legacy randomisation, then idk. Lucky, or cheating, can't say.

10k still sounds like quite a lot.. thats 500 clays or also 500 swings with hoe.. at beginning 2 energy per hoe is 1000 energy needed.. sounds quite impossible even get enough replenishment for it every day, even if you would somehow forage evrything from day 1 and still get enough time (no pause in mp) to harvest that 500 clays...

[Calico Witch]

Ilucie eredeti hozzászólása:

Calico Witch eredeti hozzászólása:

Yes, actually, you can make more than that. I started a new game (since deleted), just for fun. I don't use any mods. I simply named my character [74][74][74][74] - an item cheat code that only works with names of your character or animals. Then I ran around town meeting everyone I could. Sold the 'stuff'. Next day I repeated with those I missed the day before and bought a phone and called Gus (specifically) a few times. Sold more of the 'stuff'. Ended up with around $68,000 by day 5.

You really use a cheat as an argument that its possible to earn X on spring 7? Of course its possible with cheats, even on day 1 6:00am.

I just said it was possible. And you'll note that I only played it for 4 in-game days, just for fun, to see what would happen, then I deleted it. I play alone so...

[Stetside]

He admitted that he used trainer to produce items with no cost and sell them. Tks for all the comments

[Ilucie]

Calico Witch eredeti hozzászólása:

Ilucie eredeti hozzászólása:

You really use a cheat as an argument that its possible to earn X on spring 7? Of course its possible with cheats, even on day 1 6:00am.

I just said it was possible. And you'll note that I only played it for 4 in-game days, just for fun, to see what would happen, then I deleted it. I play alone so...

I dont care if anyone cheats. That its possible with cheating is a no brainer.

[Sol]

EleventhStar eredeti hozzászólása:

why would you look into his pc instead of just asking him?

People lie. You need to find the truth before you ask. NEVER ask someone about a topic involving their own ethic or honesty without already having evidence. This is how police do it. They already know the answer to 80% of the questions they are asking you. They are asking them to determine whether they can trust your answers to the other 20% of the questions, and to figure out what you will and will not admit to. And to demonstrate your lack of remorse and desire to save yourself no matter what as a flaw of bad moral character. Everybody lies.

Everybody lies. The only option when truth matters is to already either know the truth or have a series of facts which paint an incomplete truth.

Don't just ask someone "did you cheat", start by gathering evidence, with the attempt to prove they did NOT cheat. After you have disqualified all other options, the only one left is "they cheated". Then you confront them, and as they attempt to work out how they did it without cheating, you already have all the refutations needed, and the data to back up your refutations. Then you can coax them into admitting HOW they cheated, and WHY.

Only then can you hope to have an honest dialogue "don't do that, not with this!"

EDIT: And if they are able to work out how they didn't cheat, and can demonstrate how they were able to accomplish it without cheating, you can make the determination as to whether or not the method they used constitutes as exploiting/cheating by the definition of the agreement everyone made.

And if everyone didn't agree, nobody cheated even with CJB Item Spawner. Cheating is "intentionally breaking the agreed upon rules, usually to gain an advantage". This is also why it's important to use a rule wording that is objective. When you just say "no cheating", one player might have a different opinion of what cheating is. If you use more concrete language you can get them all to understand it. "That Guy" will always try to use semantics to find a loophole "well you didn't name that as cheating".

[Sol]

Per my above post, it was long enough so I just made another; a stronger anti-cheating language would look something like "No use of any mods, exploits, cheats, debug/console commands. You must play purely vanilla, except where the other rules state otherwise".

Rather than just "don't cheat guys!", look to encourage an honest playstyle that names what the expectations are, and what violates them.

[Sebine]

Calico Witch eredeti hozzászólása:

Niki Lauda eredeti hozzászólása:

52k by the 7th of a new save sounds like they used a mod to me no one can make that much money in the first week

Yes, actually, you can make more than that. I started a new game (since deleted), just for fun. I don't use any mods. I simply named my character [74][74][74][74] - an item cheat code that only works with names of your character or animals. Then I ran around town meeting everyone I could. Sold the 'stuff'. Next day I repeated with those I missed the day before and bought a phone and called Gus (specifically) a few times. Sold more of the 'stuff'. Ended up with around $68,000 by day 5.

Try
[857][857][857]

8k a pop.

[Calico Witch]

Sebine eredeti hozzászólása:

Calico Witch eredeti hozzászólása:

Yes, actually, you can make more than that. I started a new game (since deleted), just for fun. I don't use any mods. I simply named my character [74][74][74][74] - an item cheat code that only works with names of your character or animals. Then I ran around town meeting everyone I could. Sold the 'stuff'. Next day I repeated with those I missed the day before and bought a phone and called Gus (specifically) a few times. Sold more of the 'stuff'. Ended up with around $68,000 by day 5.

Try
[857][857][857]

8k a pop.

Holy moly! I'd not have known about the value of Tiger Slime Eggs. However, I won't start a new game with that info. My experience with the Prismatic Shards made the game too easy. I just did it for amusement.

[Sebine]

Calico Witch eredeti hozzászólása:

Sebine eredeti hozzászólása:

Try
[857][857][857]

8k a pop.

Holy moly! I'd not have known about the value of Tiger Slime Eggs. However, I won't start a new game with that info. My experience with the Prismatic Shards made the game too easy. I just did it for amusement.

Tiger Slime Eggs appear to be the most expensive thing you can get your hands on without EGREGIOUS cheating.

If you could *somehow* spawn in Fully Hearted Ostrich, you could make 20k a pop.

[JVC]

You can't make that amount in first week's play. It's not possible.

[EleventhStar]

Professor Hardknocks eredeti hozzászólása:

EleventhStar eredeti hozzászólása:

why would you look into his pc instead of just asking him?

People lie. You need to find the truth before you ask. NEVER ask someone about a topic involving their own ethic or honesty without already having evidence. This is how police do it.

you are aware that looking into someone's pc without their consent is a crime right?
how can you talk about ethics when endorsing a crime. police need a warrant to look into your pc.