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It's not about the design choices. It's about the amount of content. It's a true overhaul of the game. It's not perfect but it's much more being added to the game than what we typically see in an official update.
I'm just saying that I'm not real impressed with the results of 4 years of stewing a new update for Stardew... based on the description and previous updates. I should clarify I definitely don't have a beta of 1.6 so uh... hoping for something really interesting still.
It is about the design choices, and the tone. It could have eleventy billion bits of hot garbage and I would not care, because hot garbage. Copious amounts of it doesn't improve things.
I don't like SVE. I don't like it a lot. It does me zero good that it exists. It's not impressive to somebody that thinks that at the very minimum, dialogue ought to be spellchecked. CA putting out an expansion in his tone and with the SDV art? That interests me. That pleases me.
Don't give two flying figs about a mod I will never touch again.
If *you're* happy with SVE, by all means: go play that. Being baffled about why other people are happy about this, though, is silly. I prefer quality over quantity. Obviously, I am not the only one with this opinion, as a goodly number of people are quite excited about this (and most of them know that SVE exists, too).
Professionalism matters to more people than you apparently think. SVE is good for what it is (and bless the modders for their time and effort), but it ISN'T professional and you can VERY MUCH tell. Coincidentally, those things that they're missing are the things that make official content development take a fair amount of time.
Like, if all you want is more content words words words more words yay words who cares what it is, sure, that's probably better for you. For those of us who want more *actual Stardew Valley*, of course we're excited, lol.
Stardew Valley Expanded is not "hot garbage." Anyone calling it that hasn't played it or is being hyperbolic.
It adds way more than words. I'll go ahead and post the wiki again, so people here can be reminded of that. It adds a dozen marriage candidates, chunks of map, items, end-game, etc.
https://stardew-valley-expanded.fandom.com/wiki/Stardew_Valley_Expanded_Wiki
You're allowed to have a negative opinion of it, but you are basically lying about what it is.
Again, my point is that I'm not impressed by official content after years of waiting compared to what a modding community tossed together in that same period of time. To me, Expanded was a truly exciting refresh of SDV and had me excited to jump back in.
The official updates haven't done that for me since like 1.4 in 2019. 1.5 was, like 1 NPC and some end-game--I would like to be able to experience the update in the first few days, not after 2 years in game or playing a late-game save from half a decade ago.
Here was at least an opinion that sounded like someone who actually tried it:
I disagree because it doesn't actually change how you play the game at all. It's your choice how and when to interact with the new content. But at least it sounds reasonable.
SDV has a culty following (hell, I have 3 versions of it, I clearly love it too), so I realize my unpopular opinion. I'm not even bashing Ape's work. Just noting that it feels more like a small update to boost attention and sales rather than a labor of love at this point. And I can't blame him. It's likely been keeping him comfortable on a Caribbean island for the past 4 years. May as well try to squeeze out a couple more comfortable years before the sales dip enough that he needs to actually work again.
Pretty sure there's a post of me saying this 4 years ago too.
TL;DR "Cool, but not impressed. Doesn't seem like enough to convince me to play this slow-paced, very long game again."
I'm quite impressed. Seems like lots of other people are, too.
And yes, *in my opinion*, SVE is hot garbage. I've been trying to be polite because you clearly love it, but I do not share your affection. I'm not lying, and I'm not being hyperbolic. You don't get to accuse me of lying because I don't share your opinion or you don't like mine. It's my opinion. They need an editor. Desperately. I mentioned the art style, not just words words words. I could give further critique about all of the ways that it's awful (holy continuity errors, batman), but this isn't the thread for it and I'm trying not to be a total jerk about something somebody obviously worked really hard on. None of them asked for my opinion.
Amount of content is irrelevant when that content basically amounts to fan fiction. Somebody could write 1000000000 lines of GoT fanfiction and people would still be allowed to get excited when more actual books get published. I'm not sure why that's hard to understand. A dozen more marriage candidates are irrelevant when you don't like any of them because of their writing. Especially when they make changes to OG characters that make THEM unappealing now, too. It's a net loss in marriage candidates for some people!
Caribbean island. Yeah, now who's being hyperbolic. You are aware he's been working on another game, I hope? And that there's been an actual team of people working on this update? Like, he hired people? And even if he DID retire to an island, precisely why is that a problem enough that it needs to be mentioned? This isn't a live service game. You already got what you paid for. It's not taking the money and running to do a free update eight years after release, lol.
CA has already told us exactly why he is updating, and I don't think we have any evidence to support the assumption that he's lying about that (especially given his track record).
If it's your assertion that he IS lying, you need to provide some evidence (speculation or sharing how YOU would behave in his shoes is not evidence).
Who are you telling this to and why should they care? Because here in this thread, where you're talking to people who are expressing excitement about the update, it comes across like you've got an issue with people being happy with something you don't personally like because something that you DO like exists (even though some of those other people don't like it).
We get it. You love SVE. I don't. Other people don't. Gonna continue being excited about the update. You should be excited too, since it will be adding tools that the SVE devs can use to improve their mod. Alas, one of those tools is not an editor.
eta: PS. It's utterly rich to be so dismissive about an update that's primarily focused on tools to make modding the game easier because...of a mod. SMAPI is quite valuable, even if it doesn't add any marriage candidates itself. I'm sure the creators of SVE are going to be happy about having the new tools, which makes 'pshhhh, update' even sillier.
You *do* get that this is going to benefit SVE too, right? That the SMAPI author is one of the people on the update team?
I love SDV, but the game is too old for a meager update to get me excited again. I would have liked to see Expanded's content become official (and tightened up, trimmed) or a bigger update that creates enough newness from start to finish to make a replay interesting. 1.6 appears to be adding about 10-20% of the content that Expanded does. It's hard to be impressed by that.
There have been like 3 different Story of Seasons games, a couple Rune Factories, a Coral Island, couple of My Time games all made full, complete games in the time it's been since the last significant SDV update. I have happily moved on. I don't jump on bandwagons or join video game cults or replay the same game a hundred times.
How is this related to other people being excited?
And uh, you obviously haven't moved on, since you're here, posting about how unimpressed you are when somebody else says they're excited. How many threads have you gone into about this already? It's not just this one. It's hard to believe you've moved on when you keep wandering around saying to random strangers, "Oh, you're excited? Well, I'm not." "Oh, -you're- excited? Well, I'm not." lol. This is not the behavior of a man that has happily moved on.
"This band I like? Yeah, you've probably never heard of them." *eyeroll* Big fedora energy, honestly.
Your 'appears to be' information is incorrect, and all of the games you mentioned were done by established studios with (comparatively) giant budgets. Oh, except Coral Island, which is a scam. So. Yeah. If you prefer big budget studio games with more than one guy and the five team members he hired for a free update? You should probably play those. Still doesn't justify your need to
Like, okay, you don't aren't happy about the update (for some reason?), but why you gotta make up lies to justify that to us? Happily moved on? Which is it? Happy people don't make up lies as a reaction to other people being excited. ^^
And sorry, but "appears to be a few months of work (at most)" when that's demonstrably untrue *is*
Modding tools might not be marriage candidates, but they enable an infinite amount of them. You might not consider it content, but I'm sure even SVE's team would agree that it is time well spent by CA. The (developer stated) point of this update was to expand on the modding tools to make it easier for people to do what they're doing. Those tools require time to make. They don't just spring out of nothing. The "content" you're so unexcited about is just a bonus.
Sure there are lots of other games --- more expensive ones --- and ones that charged for every update or addition. And none of the other games you mentioned have the massive mods available that SDV has, This major update has been in the works WITH the modding community co-operation to make modding easier so that we can all play the game the way we want to, And we are not being charged anything for this update.
Plus the other games you mentioned were not developed by only one person, and I have tried a few of them and have been disappointed.
Rather then paying for several different games, we can simply add FREE mods and make this game new to play again, extended maps, new villagers, multiple choices for farm lay out and dozens of building designs from old to new and flowery, bigger houses, more animals and crops we are free to pick and chose what ever we want.
No other game that I have seen offers such variety at NO extra cost.
He said early on that this would be the last update and thus why the focus on modding tools (basically leaving the game in a state where people can build on it forever), but from the way he's been talking I honestly expect him to at least tinker for the rest of his life.
I think ConcernedApe knows exactly what he's doing and he's doing it right. I'm also pretty sure he knows about the Starbound situation. It's ultimately his game and his decision. I believe he truly cares about his game and his work shows it. If he was doing us all a disservice I'm pretty sure a lot more of us would be disappointed. We are not. We are excited. We want this update. And if he moves on after that, I'd say it's a well deserved change for him and a great conclusion to our beloved game.
As a fan and a developer myself, thank you for this amazing game CA, for your effort and persistence! I wish other studios would take some notes from you.