Blind 100% speedrun

[jcdenton666]

thoughts? anyone ever done this? and I have to stress the blind part, certainly not interested in any other kind of speedrun

[Maya-Neko]

The problem is, that you've pretty much no way to orient yourself properly and sound ques being very sparse and good luck managing your inventory without knowing, what entered it.

But obviously, feel free to test it. You could also write some mods to have objects and NPCs respond to your attacks with audio queues or something like that, but the inventory thing will still be horribly hard.

[Hiroko]

If you're talking about speed running with no prior game knowledge, that can only be attempted once by any person, if they even go in blind to begin with. There is 0 way to prove one way or another that a person has 0 advanced knowledge and 0 credibility would be given to any runs. So unless you're talking about having 0 visuals / actual blindness, I don't know what you mean. The answer is probably yes though. SV is old and has a speedrunning community.

[ULTRA]

The chance of "speed" being used to describe a blind completionist run is very slim. I'm going to guess 30+ hours, easily.

[jcdenton666]

@Maya-Neko oooh... lol. it took me a few minutes to understand that you didn't get what I meant by "blind". my mistake, I am (sadly) aware there is blindFOLDED speedrunning. I meant without any (or at least much) prior knowledge. I did play this for 2 or 3 hours years ago, that's blind enough for most standards I guess.

@Hiroko yes, only once, which is the exact reason it's the only speedrun I consider worth doing myself, and also could be the only full playthrough I would watch (99.99% of let's players on youtube are unwatchable for me, and I'm not exaggerating). credibility really isn't a factor as there is very little to no competitive motivation to a one-time-only run to begin with. I was more interested in whether it's possible at all (100% of achievements sure is good enough but I'm obviously not aware whether there's any other definition of 100%), estimate of how long it would take and such things... either way, even blind let's plays to 100% were very sparse on youtube when I tried to find one (I can't even confirm there is a single one).

I mean I tried to play Fallout 3 blind ironman (i.e. without dying) many years ago (and got bored very quickly. damn that was a boring and directionless game), but from what I know you can't "lose" per se in this one. that's why I was thinking of adding "speedrun" to... just merely playing this. I do think it's a hilarious idea pushing hard for something you don't actually know how to do and have to figure out on the fly (with or without guides/wiki, time attack or REAL time attack... your choice. people do a "real time attack" of bicycling across the USA, so why not do the equivalent in video game form)

either way... explaining all this – not worth my time. whatever

PS: I should explain though why I want to make this interesting enough for me to play though – because (from what I gleaned from the wiki, also years ago), this is not an RPG! in short, you can make people love you, but you can't make them hate you. that's even less choice than you have in e.g. the Sims... seriously! complete buzzkill to attempt to play this merely as a life simulator

[NBOX21]

Originally posted by jcdenton666:

100% of achievements sure is good enough

In that case, it would be literally impossible to do a truly 100% speedrun of this game on a single save file as there are two achievements that require a second playthrough in order to get the other one you didn't get the first time around, those being completing the Community Centre and finishing all the Joja Community Development Forms.

Completing the latter requires you to purchase a JojaMart membership which permanently blocks off completion of any remaining CC bundles, and completing all the bundles causes JojaMart to close down, preventing you from purchasing a membership.

but I'm obviously not aware whether there's any other definition of 100%

Without spoiling too much, there's a special room you can access on Ginger Island that keeps track of everything you need to do to achieve 100% completion. Most players would consider that to be a fully completed playthrough of this game.

[jcdenton666]

Originally posted by NBOX21:

Originally posted by jcdenton666:

100% of achievements sure is good enough

In that case, it would be literally impossible to do a truly 100% speedrun of this game on a single save file as there are two achievements that require a second playthrough in order to get the other one you didn't get the first time around, those being completing the Community Centre and finishing all the Joja Community Development Forms.

Completing the latter requires you to purchase a JojaMart membership which permanently blocks off completion of any remaining CC bundles, and completing all the bundles causes JojaMart to close down, preventing you from purchasing a membership.

but I'm obviously not aware whether there's any other definition of 100%

Without spoiling too much, there's a special room you can access on Ginger Island that keeps track of everything you need to do to achieve 100% completion. Most players would consider that to be a fully completed playthrough of this game.

that's good info, thanks

[red255]

Define.

Blind as no knowledge of the game, or blind as in blindfolded?

Define speed run?

look you want to do a challenge run, do a challenge run, you want to do a speed run, do a speedrun, i wouldn't combine the two.

[Maya-Neko]

Originally posted by jcdenton666:

@Maya-Neko oooh... lol. it took me a few minutes to understand that you didn't get what I meant by "blind". my mistake, I am (sadly) aware there is blindFOLDED speedrunning. I meant without any (or at least much) prior knowledge. I did play this for 2 or 3 hours years ago, that's blind enough for most standards I guess.

That's because there is no such thing as "blind speedrun" in terms of first playthrough in any game of any speedrunning community.

Obviously nobody stops you from having a timer running and trying to make things fast, but there's pretty much nothing that qualifies it as a speedrun as of now, especially since the repeatability and a way to measure skill and speed is missing.

Originally posted by jcdenton666:

I was more interested in whether it's possible at all (100% of achievements sure is good enough but I'm obviously not aware whether there's any other definition of 100%), estimate of how long it would take and such things... either way, even blind let's plays to 100% were very sparse on youtube when I tried to find one (I can't even confirm there is a single one).

Yeah, it is possible. The accepted speedruns last from 26 hours to 43 hours for the perfection goal currently, obviously from people who already know many things. If you really play it fully blind, even without looking up wikis, then i would expect like 100-200 hours (maybe 60-100, if you've already watched tons of videos or giving yourself access to wikis) and if you want to send it in at speedrun . com, then it needs to be done within 2 weeks,

100 % achievements should be shorter than that, but still can take quite some time

And obviously 100 % is very sparse on YT, since most lets players rather play for fun.

[Captain Flappy]

Originally posted by Maya-Neko:

The problem is, that you've pretty much no way to orient yourself properly and sound ques being very sparse and good luck managing your inventory without knowing, what entered it.

But obviously, feel free to test it. You could also write some mods to have objects and NPCs respond to your attacks with audio queues or something like that, but the inventory thing will still be horribly hard.

People have done it in many other games including 3d titles like Ocarina of time. it can always be done if someone has enough perseverance.

[Captain Flappy]

Originally posted by jcdenton666:

@Maya-Neko oooh... lol. it took me a few minutes to understand that you didn't get what I meant by "blind". my mistake, I am (sadly) aware there is blindFOLDED speedrunning. I meant without any (or at least much) prior knowledge. I did play this for 2 or 3 hours years ago, that's blind enough for most standards I guess.

@Hiroko yes, only once, which is the exact reason it's the only speedrun I consider worth doing myself, and also could be the only full playthrough I would watch (99.99% of let's players on youtube are unwatchable for me, and I'm not exaggerating). credibility really isn't a factor as there is very little to no competitive motivation to a one-time-only run to begin with. I was more interested in whether it's possible at all (100% of achievements sure is good enough but I'm obviously not aware whether there's any other definition of 100%), estimate of how long it would take and such things... either way, even blind let's plays to 100% were very sparse on youtube when I tried to find one (I can't even confirm there is a single one).

I mean I tried to play Fallout 3 blind ironman (i.e. without dying) many years ago (and got bored very quickly. damn that was a boring and directionless game), but from what I know you can't "lose" per se in this one. that's why I was thinking of adding "speedrun" to... just merely playing this. I do think it's a hilarious idea pushing hard for something you don't actually know how to do and have to figure out on the fly (with or without guides/wiki, time attack or REAL time attack... your choice. people do a "real time attack" of bicycling across the USA, so why not do the equivalent in video game form)

either way... explaining all this – not worth my time. whatever

PS: I should explain though why I want to make this interesting enough for me to play though – because (from what I gleaned from the wiki, also years ago), this is not an RPG! in short, you can make people love you, but you can't make them hate you. that's even less choice than you have in e.g. the Sims... seriously! complete buzzkill to attempt to play this merely as a life simulator

Oh... I thought yopu meant a blindfolded speed run as well. hardly a speedrun if you are just going in blind, thats just called playing the game. :/

[red255]

I consider a blind 100% run not a speed run. you can't combine the two, pretty sure they will be possible, you iikely will get hints or spoilers from the community if you ask here or check the wiki, the wiki will...really spoil things.

best bet is to be REALLY specific with any questions you ask.

but if you go blind the end result will be nothing like a speedrun.

[jcdenton666]

in my book a speedrun is still only a type of challenge run. I'm familiar enough with the matter that I know some people literally waste years of sitting in front of a screen just to wait for the run in 100000 where the stars align so they can shave off 0.01 seconds of the record – I cannot imagine a bigger waste of time and potential. beyond me why such an intrinsically stupid (!) thing ever became big (or more like the history of speedrunning documentations did, even the biggest games only have a dozen active runners lol. MILLIONS of people play League of Legends, and that's just one MOBA...). only certain extreme speedruns like e.g. Binding of Isaac 100% RTA pass the threshold of being interesting to me to watch at all (and only because I play that game myself)

I'm much more interested in challenge runs, but that's a thing that very few people do videos on (what I'm most interested is achievement hunting, but that's a thing NOBODY does videos on sadly...)

speedrun just means the lowest time possible to beat the game (or 100% it). player a will still be faster or slower than b. so yes, there obviously is such a thing as a blind speedrun. you very much have the chance to optimise things on the fly once you figured out the basic principles of the game. of course there is skill involved in that. but yes, it's not competitive per se (which doesn't matter to me. if I want to set world records, I play pinball simulations like Zaccaria). and like I said, 99% blind should still be good enough for anybody. as for doing research... that's a double-edged blade. I certainly abhor anything like "theorycrafting", but if the game requires you to leave no stone unturned and doesn't provide you with ways to track which ones are left... there's no way around it then, is there... and of course the "lost forever" trope is a factor too

I don't see why that shouldn't be interesting to watch either, especially since it's groundbreaking. in this case like I said it's just a substitute for ironman cause you can't lose in this game. I kinda want to get into this game because these days really I have given up playing for achievements (because TSA endorses cheating) and have been playing only Isaac for months now (and am still 200 achievements short of the goal. I would not recommend playing Isaac to anyone), but I tried it out several times years ago and only lasted for a few hours each time – so the speedrun stipulation could make it more interesting for me to play. just been sharing my musings on that matter

[ULTRA]

There's probably like 5 people who have 100%ed the game without looking anything up